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Washington state passes ballot measure banning trans girls from school sports
(www.theguardian.com)
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This is the absolute dumbest bait thing to get mad about. This entire issue is more or less a straw man created by the right to get people to vote for them. It impacts a completely miniscule portion of the population, and very clearly, trans women have a biological advantage over people who were born women. More muscle, faster reaction time, etc. It's known and scientifically proven. Clearly, the populace agrees with this as evidenced by this passing. You could make a trans specific league, but there are so few trans athletes that you would likely be unable to field a team. The left needs to just drop this issue. It plays right into where the Republicans want.
https://www.advocate.com/politics/national/trump-dallas-transgender-empty-arena
I’m gonna be honest, as someone who doesn’t really give a shit about sports, I just don’t care. Let whoever wants to play play on whichever team or league they prefer. I don’t care who plays, wins, or loses, and the whole thing just doesn’t matter very much. These are GAMES. Diversions. We are talking about children playing games. This shit just doesn’t matter very much.
Do you believe that an AFAB girl/woman who is able to easily defeat male opponents should be banned from participating in women's sports?
If you are going to argue in favor of banning trans women from participating in women's sports, you might take that argument to it's logical conclusion and filter out for all biological inequities. Born too tall? Banned from basketball, because the average person is not as tall as you and it wouldn't be fair to the majority of average height players. Born with webbed fingers and toes? Banned from swimming, because other people don't have that biological advantage and it wouldn't be fair.
You see how drawing the line arbitrarily at gender identity/biological sex is absurd?
I hope I do but too many that are happy transphobes when it comes only to women's sports don't every acknowledge it. Hell even in this thread there's someone happy to say it's only a factor in women's sports. Others say it's fine because they hadn't seen men complaining like the women...
I think we should drop issues that impact you instead, since there's more trans people than there are you.
It would only impact a completely minuscule portion of the population.
Nobody actually cares about trans women in sports. Its a proxy for the real argument, which is usually 'I find it icky'. The left doesnt need to drop it. They need to ignore the stupid sports argument and call it out for what it is. Bigotry.
Trans people have rights and the right wants to strip them of them. It has nothing to do with sports.
we need to hold their feet to the fucking fire because this isn't just an attack on Trans people. It's a gateway to attack the entire Queer community.
They come for one of us, they come for all of us.
what exactly gives you that idea? I literally just had a conversation with a very left leaning friend yesterday and she made it pretty clear she thought it was ridiculous for trans women to be competing again biological women because she said they clearly had an unfair advantage.
She thinks that Kamala was only slightly too far left when she said that ICE would deport more people under her administration than Trump's.
thanks for your helpful addition to this conversation.
Ask your idiot friend how long she's been thinking women are inferior to men.
'Cos that biological essentialism is the bastard child of misogyny
Well, even leftists can be absolutely brain dead fucking stupid. So jot that down.
both parties have their very brain dead portions, one party just has more of them.
I would say anyone that can't think for themself, fact check, or vet sources is probably pretty fucking braindead. Unfortunately there are almost just as many of those people on the left as there are on the right. I mean theres a reason why the frickin middle class voted against a literal billionaire tax in california.
My point is that your "very left leaning" friend is a fucking dipshit for believing that, and is probably not especially left wing, if they're willing to throw trans people under the bus based on pseudo-scientific nonsense
Is it pseudo nonsense that men have a physoligical advantage compared to women, or what are you arguing?
Trans women aren't men and taking HRT impacts your muscle mass, etc.
There is a wealth of scientific literature about the effects of HRT. This isn't new or unexplored. But apeals to fairness in sports, based on a poor understanding of the science, is being used as cudgel against trans folks. As a wedge issue to bar us from being about to exist freely in public life.
The fact that the sports ban policies that come out of this, also impact cis women and girls, be exposing them to genital checks and the like, are a bonus for the kinds of backward reactionaries who push this shit
read this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
Even after years of therapy, there are still remaining advantages that trans women possess; Lung capacity, heart size, bone density, more advantageous skeletal structure, residual strength advantages, etc....
Going down that route we have to face the fact in just about every sport segmented between the sexes it all comes down to peoples individual genetic advantages which would end up doing exactly what you want to happen to trans athletes but on much much larger scale as we'd have to ban anyone that's over a certain threshold in their relative sport.
Too tall, can't play basketball/volleyball/football. Etc etc.
There are differences between sporadic genetic advantages and distinct highly consistent physical advantages between the sexes. We already separate sports by sex for a reason. If you are against separating male and female athletes however, I guess we could look at things as you're trying to frame them. We would just get rid of women's leagues entirely and let women have the same shot as their male counterparts to find entry into sports. I have a feeling women would not be happy about this though.
Yes but you are arguing with the fact individuals have genetic advantages, therefore if it's bad in one way you have to remove all of the ones with advantages.
If your only argument for banning specific people is they grew up in a way that gave them an advantage you must remove anyone that could have it. Basically means removing the Olympics as it's entirely comprised of those with genetic advantages.
No. I'm really not. I'm just saying that a sex with clear and sharp advantages over another one should probably not be allowed to compete against the other.
It's literally what you're saying just with sex as the arbitrary boundary.
if there's advantages that should not be allowed
I'm sorry if you disagree here, but I do not believe sex is an arbitrary boundary. If it were we wouldn't have any women's leagues because there would be no need for them.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9331831/
^ the source you cited is the one saying that. I'm simply pointing out if we remove all advantages like you want it means alot needs to change. None of which is related to trans athletes having an advantage
Point out where in the source I supplied it says that, please.
Which of the many parts?
2nd time i'm asking. should be easy since you say there are many. I don't care which one. Just point it out.
You haven't asked for anything yet.
Please what do you want proved I'm curious how much you actually read
forget it. i dont care anymore. like the other guy, you clearly aren't arguing in good faith either.
Says the transphobe 🤷
Should we ban tall people from playing basketball?
no, but going off what the findings were in the article it would probably be unfair to let transwomen compete against biological women.
And making short people compete against tall people in basketball is unfair. Do you get it?
So you see how harping on one biological unfairness while ignoring others is clearly bigoted behavior?
Sports, particularly at the highest levels, is all about biological advantage. I guess we should stop the Olympics too?
Fucking dumbass
ok, so like the other person i responded to, you also believe we should scrap womens leagues? let them play against men?
You seem like a gem btw.
Women's sports leagues exist to serve a social function, not a biological one. Plenty of women can kick a man's ass. Asserting that women are just weak, frail, and need protection from big strong men, sucks and is wrong.
We're strangers on the internet. You don't know me, and I don't know you. But i have to hear transphobic garbage on a regular basis, and I have no interest in being cordial when confronted with transphobia.
simple questions then... world record women's and mens: 100m dash, high jump, marathon, pole vault, shot put, and bench press... let me know if any women beat men in any of these records.
Or don't and you can just go away because I'm tired of you.
Arguing with bad faith transphobes isn't exactly very pleasant either. Get off of Lemmy.
It's wild but unsurprising their only response to what they're arguing is why aren't you using my transphobic logic against me
i'm the one arguing in bad faith?.... you are ridiculous.
pseudo scientific how? this isn't bigotry, this is a real question.
Every trans woman i know is basically patched together with duct tape and caffeine.
If the numbers are so fucking low then it's a non-issue. We're talking a miniscule part of the population. You'd have to have a trans student. Then that student needs to be out. Then that student needs to want to be into sports. A tiny number sliced down and down and down. You're talking about five fucking people. You're getting hysterical over five fucking people . That is absolutely nothing worth talking about, let alone legislating. Absolute horseshit
its strange. I know a very large portion of the left feel its wrong for trans women to be competing against biological women, but this portion is so afraid of getting vilified by the other portion for what they secretly consider to just be common sense, that they just stay silent. And, honestly, its probably the smart move. We live in a world where if you're the nail that sticks out you get hammered down.
Good. That position deserves to be vilified. I hope you get hammered down off this fucking platform you worthless piece of shit
I guess... thank you for proving my point?