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[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 14 points 3 days ago

It wasn't "don't revenge kill", it was "don't become like me".

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago

That's just it though. They didn't really establish that. That was the point I was trying to make. Had they established that, then yes, that would have made sense.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 15 points 3 days ago

Idk, it seemed exceedingly obvious to me.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 8 points 3 days ago

Yeah, she spent the whole movie demonstrating how the things she went through led her to bad choices which led her to becoming a person she didn't like. She didn't want to see that happen to others. It didn't mean she had magically been fixed at some point along the way. Traumas often don't heal themselves with just time. Sometimes you really need therapy, and Supergirl spent the whole film running from the therapeutic influences in her life. It's only after everything else that she decides to stop running and come in out of the cold. It's kinda weird that people are ignoring all that and whining about Supergirl's lacking morals.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world -1 points 2 days ago

I wish I and everyone else had gotten to see the movie that you did. Because what we saw was something different apparently. All of that was anything but obvious as far as the movie goes. You largely have to assume that, or the character comes off as unlikable. It would be the only way to rationalize everything that happened.

There is an old adage in movie making. It's a visual medium. Show, don't tell. A lot of movies make the fatal mistake of dumping a lot of lore or information in boring exposition. Somehow this movie did one worse. They didn't even attempt to tell. Just assumed that everyone would rationalize. Yes, the rationalization was obvious. But that's still bad writing.

An extra ten minutes on the runtime for a couple extra scenes and some tweaked dialogue would have taken this from a muddy, confusing mess. Into a solid triumph. I enjoyed the movie. I enjoyed the original Supergirl as well. But the writing did this one in, despite doing Kara better as a character. Was just so sketchy in places.

[-] SarahValentine@pawb.social 3 points 2 days ago

I wish I and everyone else had gotten to see the movie that you did. Because what we saw was something different apparently

Incorrect.

All of that was anything but obvious as far as the movie goes.

...in your opinion. Which is not shared by several others in this thread who seem to have understood it just fine.

You largely have to assume that, or the character comes off as unlikable

Why do you think the character must meet your definition of likeable for the movie to be good? Don't answer that to me, ask yourself and then think about the answer you come up with.

Show, don't tell.

You not getting what was shown does not mean you weren't shown. The showing occurred and you either didn't get it or are pretending you don't get it because you don't like the message.

An extra ten minutes on the runtime for a couple extra scenes and some tweaked dialogue would have

...been an artistic compromise to satisfy the lackluster attitudes of the lowest intellectual denominator among moviegoers. Plenty of movies to suit that mindset are made every year. Stop insisting every movie be dumbed down to suit you.

Have a nice day. Byebye now.

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago

I understood the movie just fine. It's legitimately the reason I can point out that there was bad writing.

You are arguing against a statement or claim I never made. And there are just as many people here who share my views, whatever that means.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago

My experience is the same as yours... I just saw this movie a couple of months ago and I am having a hard time remembering anything about it

I remember her on a dirty bender, somehow she got over it... comes back home

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

Yes, I watched it on Friday on HBO myself. I enjoyed the movie and understood it as someone who read comic books etc, their whole life. But I absolutely understand a lot of people's criticisms about the writing and the overall baffling nature of it.

It's a common enough comic trope that it's not a mystery why so many people are post rationalizing it into the movie. Where it really wasn't. The whole origin story are bit was just confusing too. They didn't even do that for the Superman movie before this. They figured everyone knew it and just went with the character.

It was a well done sequence and overall enjoyable, but it's necessity and placement was just confusing. As it didn't really explain or justify directly any of the things that were going on. Or even tie in to the previous Superman movie. It would have been the perfect point to flashback to an inciting event that sent Supergirl on this path. Not as perfect as just opening with it and not confused drop in mid drunken bender.

[-] Jhex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

yes I would not say it was a disaster by any means and it definitely looked great. I just found the plot weak.

I didn't get that feeling that I understood the character and believed she actually went through an arc. It felt more like she was partied until she was partied out and then went home.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 3 days ago

Because Kara said "don't kill for revenge it isn't worth it" without ever establishing a reason for having that worldview through an establishing scene ir even a throwaway line of dialogue? Convictions like that really need to be shown in some way and Kara's actions throighout the movie are of someone who has zero issues with causing death so why would she be so adamant about revenge killing specifically?

The writing for the movie was terrible.

[-] Maven@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 days ago

My biggest critique of the movie is that that point was bashed over the head repeatedly. I was genuinely really annoyed at how often they pushed "don't be like me".

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago

I mean that was the issue and they did dance around it several times. But they never brought it up that "directly". And that is what was most annoying about it.

Just sit down and have her explain how she had been there. How she knew from experience. Were left to assume that or read it in as subtext largely. Which makes what could have been part of a great character arc come off as a bit preachy and unearned without that necessary context. Unless you assume that was why. And if you have to make assumptions. Then something is wrong with the storytelling.

That, and the swordsmith's daughter deserved a bit more agency and a small arc as well. Saving Supergirl from the green sun was good. But giving her some minimal fighting or sword skills as well would have been so much better. Turning her from a mostly useless tagalong. To part of a proper adventuring duo. She still could have been a kid in over her head. Just not as much dead weight.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

Translation: I wanted the movie to TELL me.

[-] snooggums@piefed.world 2 points 2 days ago

Show would be better, but yes we want to know why she has such a strong opnion on revenge killing, especially since she ended up killing Krem after saying not to kill.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

It's not "don't kill" either, it's "don't become like me".

[-] Eldritch@piefed.world 1 points 2 days ago

I mean, that's literally the point of a movie.

[-] Lumidaub@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago

In the comments under this very post you yourself talked about how movies should show, not tell.

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