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[–] Tb0n3@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Have you ever been in a city? Practically every street has stores that need deliveries. Does every street get a tram track?

[–] Sarie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a good use would be to go from an industrial area to another, or to a cargo hub.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

That is apparently what this tram did, although normally heavy rail would fill this role.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Use trams to get goods to neighbourhoods, then distribute from there.

[–] wieson@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Practically every street has stores

Mmh in my experience actually not. Very distinct streets in the centre are shopping streets (with residential on the higher floors). Many neighbourhoods are just residential.

[–] Repelle@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Trains to distribution center, pneumatic tubes from distribution center to every home and business.

I want my green steampunk future cities.

[–] GracerGracCRAG@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

https://www.zermatt.ch/en/sustainability/Elektros-Autofrei-Anreise/Zermatt-is-car-free

while you could argue the specialized electric buses and delivery vans are "Cars" they cannot drive on normal roads and do not produce pollution, in terms of emissions or noise, like regular cars. It's more than possible to build a car free city, its been done before.

[–] nei7jc@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the tracks for the long distance trains should go to warehouse or distributions whatever then cargo bikes would deliver them locally.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Have you ever seen how much stuff your typical courier has in their van?

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love how that clip has multiple shots of trucks absolutely full of boxes, while making the case for a vehicle that could fit inside the truck as it's replacement.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you just missed the point entirely. You don't actually have to load up as many items in a cargo bike, because it's inherent advantages in urban contexts more than makes up for its inability to load up as many items.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does that mean, exactly? What inherent advantages?

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

They are spelled out clearly in the video:

  • Bicycle deliveries can utilize bicycle infrastructure and not get stuck in traffic
  • Bicycle deliveries can at times navigate around traffic
  • Bicycle deliveries have an easier time parking at the point of delivery
  • Bicycle deliveries for obvious reasons require less fuel
  • Bicycle deliveries require less capital cost, as their vehicles are cheaper than their counterparts
[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

If I own a grocery, it's going to take a hell of a lot of bike trips to and from the warehouse to restock every day. Or I could employ an army of bikers. Or one truck.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok, so deliver food via truck. Choose the appropriate means of transportation for each type of last-mile delivery. The 200 gram Amazon package most certainly does not require a heavy truck to deliver.

[–] nei7jc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It seems I missed the point. I had deliveries in mind where the truck is mostly empty most of the time. Restocking with a truck or cargo tram (depending on the environment) would make more sense.

[–] nxfsi@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The answer should be yes. In fact we should dig up the bicycle lanes to make way for tram tracks.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A tram to every driveway please. I want my own tram

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is actually how americans think transit should work.

[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I want this globally, I want to drive my tram from Albuquerque to Amsterdam

[–] nei7jc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Or maybe make deliveries on cargo bikes.