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Okay.

So we've got an entirely flat surface that also happens to be the exact same length as the earth's surface.

If you had one continuous piece of string that went from one end of that flat surface to the other, and on one end there was attached a bell... would you be able to ring the bell by pulling on the other end of string?

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[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just for fun: Assuming the motion of the string travels at the speed of sound (I have no idea if it actually would, it just sounds right)

It is true in principle. But the speed of sound is different, depending on the material. For that string we can assume it to be roughly 10 times faster than in the air.

would be about 10.5 hours between you pulling the string and the bell ringing

~ 1 hour then.

[–] piecar@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wouldn't the motion of the string move at the speed of the pull!? Assuming no compression.

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Assuming no compression

Compression and expansion is real. The first part of the string moves with your hand, at the same speed as your hand moves. But then it takes some time until further parts of the string - or the final part of the string - even start with their motion. Ok? And here we were talking about how fast this "beginning of the motion" travels forward through the string. That's the speed of sound.

[–] TheActualDevil@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Okay, but what if there is no compression or expansion? What if it's a rigid string already stretched out just enough to be expanded completely but not enough to move the bell? Or maybe a thin wire of the same weight?

[–] NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Okay, but what if there is no compression or expansion?

That means, the speed of sound is infinite in your material. It doesn't happen in this world.

[–] Zippy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

Physics. The force you place on that string will effect the far end only at a rate no sooner than the speed of sound thru said medium.

The speed of sound in metal is about 17000 feet per second. Of materials on earth it has some of the fastest rates of transfer. But if you had a metal rod 17000 feet long and pushed one end a foot, the other end wouldn't move a foot till a second later. It will compress.

Interestingly a neutron star has material that is so densely compacted that the speed of sound thru that material is approaching that of the speed of light.