10 years ago I would agree with you. The changes of the last 10 years (and my non-youtube education) is giving me some hope. Any business is bound by societys ethics, norms and expectations (including the law) - we just have to demand our ethics and norm are followed.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hard disagree. The ethics is bound by how much they can get away. Banks are constantly getting fined for breaching their own rules. Big multi conglomerates run on how much they can get away with. Looking at America's deficit of a trillion. No way to pay it back. Money is worthless. Fed can print more at any point and banks can magic it out of nowhere.

We have no sat over Exxon we have no say over how most multi billion dollars operate. We can't even push back against planet killing policies.

You are naive to think the public have much power. We are given the illusion of democracy but a two party system that can change policies on a whim, with zero accountability.

No country is holding up their population. They don't care. That is the issue. The closer we get to annihilation the more they won't even pretend about the pure creed.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hard disagree. The ethics is bound by how much they can get away.

I think we are agreeing, just differ in method and application. These companies have strength because our ethics give them strength - ill use ExxonMobil as the example. They just brought a massive competitor, but we can still use public transportation, walk, bike or EV. ICE cars are what our society is built around and the easiest, but we can say no and we can make the harder choices.

[–] Mojojojo1993@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes and no. We can decide to use other means but that doesn't change their power to lobby our government and create pressure on food and medicine and military.

They aren't just fuel. They own a magnitude of companies and the means of productivity. They are our infrastructure.

Our GDP is tourism agriculture and probably building of some sort.

All require a heavy dose of Fossil fuels. Fertilizer fuel and building supplies.

Cats are a very small part of it.

[–] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Fossil fuels are the current status quo and where the investment was. Our agriculture needed alot of modernisation (and unis are cutting the courses), tourism is very low gdp, building carries massive logistics costs and heavy equipment which can be electrified.

They can petition government and armed forces all they want, but we vote both of those in (hmm, topical)