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yeah stupid people like most tech workers who just need their tech to work as expected rather than be “customisable”
there’s value in the “just works” when not working costs you hundreds of $ per hour that it doesn’t work
$2000 for a phone is nothing when it’s a professional device
Mobile phones are toys designed not to be professional devices at all. Photographers use real cameras, journalists, business men, programmers, don't type their shit on a 1 inch touch keyboard.
If you want your tech to just work you don't buy apple products that gets locked in by updates and have all sort of incompatibilities, some of their shit doesn't even have usb ports
They are real cameras. Have you seen the photos and videos people create with phones? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8qFTgcRV6w
Yes, there are some situations where an iPhone won't get you a great photo... but that's true of any real camera too. You don't take a several hundred thousand dollar Sony HDC-4800 to a wedding for example. Professionals use the right tool for the situation and these days that is often a phone.
I'm two of those, I type constantly on my phone. Yes - I also have a nice mechanical keyboard and I always use it at my desk, but I'm not always at my desk.
Ask a photographer to take pictures at your wedding and they will show up with a real camera not with an iphone.
Most nerds I know (including sysadms) started out on Android because of all the reasons you'd expect. Most of them now use iOS / iPadOS because, at home, they want things to Just Work - and have the available income to throw at the problem. Desktop-wise many of them have used Macs on and off, but it seems like lately they trend Windows and Linux again. Probably because macOS has become more hassle than it's worth with the continued locking down, increased paranoia, lower flexibility and ridiculous storage prices. It used to be that you could work around the storage prices, but these days it's practically impossible to run programs from somewhere other than Applications if you want your system to stay up to date. Macs just aren't the great *nix alternative that they used to be, and while Windows is still pretty awful for my use, Linux as a desktop/gaming system is getting better every day. At least so far. I miss when macOS became more useful for every release. The big releases these days break more than they fix for me.
I work in software development, not sure why but most of the sysadmins and DevOps guys I know use Apple (phone and laptop). Most developers use Android (and usually Linux). Most testers use Android and Windows. This is purely from personal experience from the last few teams I worked in.
In my experience very varied. I feel students lean more towards Android, but if you develop on Mac you’re also more likely to have an iPhone, but the one place where it’s somehow been consistently Android in my team is the app developers.
While I don’t mind it at all, somehow the Android build of our app still has the most issues. Consistently over almost six years now. Which I find a bit ironic.
A friend of mine that was also a former colleague has always been an Android guy. A year ago he switched employer and the new company is iPhone only - but he can’t get the latest versions, and it’s basically just the base version too. So he’s still running with his Galaxy S21, but no e-mail or calendar sync.
I think he’d switch if he could put some of his own cash in and upgrade to the top model.
People can have the preference they want in life, but there’s no need to obnoxious about it.
It's because DevOps need to be able to do anything, and there are some tasks where a Mac has better software. Also, iPhones have amazing integration with Macs. From copy/paste as if they were the same device to being able to open a dev tools inspector on your computer to debug a page loaded up on your phone to just not even needing to use a phone at all (you can run iPhone apps and websites, on every hardware size and operating system version, on a Mac).
It's because at home the efficiency doesn't matter and you can do more with x64 still. The constraints of having their memory on the CPU instead of slightly slower socketed memory are more relevant, too, because there are more uses for higher amounts on a desktop.
Since at the very least the release of Dell XPS 13 we can have "just-works" machines that run Linux.
Also, specially for developers, the amount of software tools that have better performance and UX on linux is incredible. Homebrew is a clunky mess compared to any other package manager. I've worked with devs who refused to run docker on their machines because they said they battery got destroyed. Unless you work with iOS development there is no real, practical advantage in using MacOS for work.
Uh. No. I love Linux, use it every day, but you need to know what you're doing.
How much power a docker container uses depends on the container. Obviously if the container pegs all eight CPU cores at 100% utilisation then yeah - battery life is going to suck. But with commonplace server side software running in the container I'm able to keep docker running all the time on my Mac and get about 18 hours on battery... and that's with a battery quite a bit smaller (therefore lighter) than the battery in the XPS-13.
I have done iOS development in the past, but these days all of the software I write is for Linux. I think a Mac is the best way to develop Linux software - the Mac window manager is so much better than Gnome or KDE and it has really nice integration with other hardware (for example I'm typing this on a keyboard connected to my desktop Mac, but have the browser window open on a screen connected to my laptop Mac... you can do that on Linux, but it's just two clicks to enable it on a Mac and requires installing/configuring/troubleshooting third party software on Linux)
I have Linux installed on my Mac - and it works perfectly... if it was better I would be using it.
lol what? How do you think the world works? What kind of argument is that - at all? SMH
Right. Keep pretending.