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Yes and no. If a terrorist group co-opts and reinterprets my national slogan, whose slogan is it? Which interpretation is right? Which interpretation was she using?
It's pretty much always meant kill all the jews there. Also once a slogan or symbol gets corrupted it's not really usable anymore, see the swastika.
No it doesn’t. The only people who are guilty of genocide and ethnic cleansing are the Zionists, Palestinians just want to be free on their land, they want their land back
A significant portion of Palestinians want to be rid of jews. I can't tell you how many times I've heard extraordinarily anti-semetic things from my family that escaped Palestine. And if that's the case think about how the people who still live there feel. At the very least I was able to convince my dad that his problem was with the state of Israel and not Jewish people (all the Jews who spoke out were a big help in that), but for my family that lives a half a world a way that's not something I can reasonably do.
To be clear fuck Israel and Palestinians should be free from their oppressors. But both of them want ethnic cleansing it's just that only Israel has the power to do it (it also doesn't help that Israel killed/black bagged all the major speakers/organizers who weren't extremists throughout the 70s-90s)
Also from the river to the sea is not inherently anti-semetic
Hamas didn’t attack Jews anywhere in the world. They are solely focusing on freeing their land from Israeli occupation. Hamas is made up of orphans and refugees. I don’t blame Palestinians for mixing up Zionism with Judaism because that’s what Zionists have been doing for decades
There are zionist asshats in this very thread conflating zionism and Judaism. Those zionist assholes contribute to antisemitism, they are on the same team as the nazis.
I think you're misattributing them not doing something with them not being able to do something. I'm telling you, the anti-semetism I've heard does not stop with Israel. It's literal Jews control the world and must be eliminated rhetoric. Nazi shit. Ik what Hamas is made up of and why they exist, but that doesn't mean they don't want to kill all Jews. Hamas in particular with that, people who have been made into orphans, have had their family killed, their land stolen are the most likely to be anti-semetic especially when the people doing it to them are the ones telling them "we represent all jews". They're a group of extremists purposefully created by Israel and they're playing their part very well in Israel's genocide.
Defend Palestinians, but don't be naïve about how many of them feel towards Jews. I don't blame them for how they feel either but that doesn't make those feelings any less wrong. And it also doesn't mean Israel is right in their actions. They're the ones with all the power and they're the ones who crafted the situation they're in. They hold all the blame and should stop what they're doing regardless of the sentiment Hamas or any Palestinian holds towards them.
You don't have to ignore their anti-semetism to be right about Israel being in the wrong for committing genocide, or to be right about Palestinians having the right be free in their land. Ignoring it only makes it harder to convince and talk to people who know about it.
It is not the Palestinians fault that the people colonizing them are Jewish and use the Torah to justify their war crimes
"Jewish settlers stole my house. It’s not my fault they’re Jewish." https://mondoweiss.net/2023/09/jewish-settlers-stole-my-house-its-not-my-fault-theyre-jewish/
Read what you respond to without trying to get a gotcha. It's not their fault. They're still wrong for being anti-semetic. The fault still lies solely on Israel for their anti-semitism and Hamas existing.
Don't ignore reality because it's inconvenient. You're on the right side either way so just be honest with the beliefs of Palestinians. I'm honest with my families belief, but guess what? I still support Palestine because it's not about them being anti-semetic. It's about them being the victims of apartide and genocide
This is a reality caused by Zionism.
What are you trying to prove at this point?
That israel is using the good Jewish faith as a shield for their war crimes and genocide.
Zionists are the true anti semites making people hate Jews instead of Zionists by calling everything they do "anti Semitic" . And America is gladly damaging the Jewish name to further their imperialist cause because the American government hate Jews.
Agreed 100% but I'm still lost as to what that has to do with the fact that many palestinians are legitimately anti-semetic and not just anti-israel. I'm just saying we don't have to deny the actual anti-semitism many palestinians hold to advocate against Israel, especially when it's Israel's fault for it.
Well yeah because all those Palestinians hear is israel saying " WE ARE JEWS AND ACCORDING TO OUR JEWISH FAITH WE WE NEED TO KILL ALL OF YOU AND TAKE YOUR Land" And then the entire west says in unison that israel is a Jewish country for Jews.
You cannot even begin to blame the Palestinians for their ignorance as their access to internet and other resources is severely limited.
You have literal Jews protesting "not in our name" against israel and governments arrest them for anti semitism.
When it came to ISIS and Al Qaeda many people in the west also just started blindly hating on all Muslims because some extremists ran away with the name. Imagine how it would have been if the media said "All criticism of ISIS is banned because it's Islamophobia"
I really don't think you're arguing with who you think you are. I said a few times I don't blame Palestinians for how they feel. I literally am Palestinian (not born there, my grandma was one of the people who fled in the 40s)
Logic falls apart when you realize swastikas are still common in asian countries. Don't let the terrorists win.