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Am I the only one who doesn't get all the outrage? They are a private company with a CEO and investors and that's their data. There was never any promise to be a community effort. Why should they let Apollo etc make money out of their data.
And before people say "it's NOT their data! Users cre it" - yeah it's user generated data, which users then donate to Reddit in exchange for reach and publishing tools.
It would be different if it was on the fediverse, which has totally different premises. But Reddit is a private company and eventually they would have to turn a profit. That was always on the cards.
Of course Reddit is allowed to do this, but surely you understand why this move is so unpopular. It's bad for users, and the way they pushed it was dishonest and generally poor.
Yeah, what I'm getting from the replies is that Reddit Inc. fucked up by doing what all other socials are doing, but without having a decent app to offer its user base. Without a decent app Reddit is basically dead. I didn't think of that angle because I avoid apps if I can
I don't think anyone who understands the issue is complaining about them monetising. People know it costs a ton to maintain the infrastructure. That's not the point.
There's more, but I'm out right now so I can't focus much. Basically, if your content is from the users, you should take care of the users and people running your site.
I agree that them pushing out third party apps when their own is rubbish is an idiotic move - and it will hurt them badly. They rely on people being too addicted to leave (it kind of worked when Musk did it with Twitter) but if the app is unusable it's simply not going to happen. As someone who uses as few apps as possible (why do people trust the Apollo dev to be any better at privacy than spez? anyhow...) I didn't quite grasp that for many people Reddit is an app first and foremost. No viable app = no reddit
The outrage has a few different angles, but one key theme is that Reddit weren't exactly forthcoming with specifics around pricing information until very recently, leaving 3rd party Devs little time to negotiate a better price or actually develop the changes required to play along.
Yes, Reddit should be able to charge for their API, as a commercial business. But it's the approach taken, the short self imposed timelines and artificial pressures applied that have angered the Devs, taking the apps offline and upsetting the users
It seems pretty obvious that they are trying to push out 3rd party apps, just like all the other platforms are doing. I understand why the devs are fuming, but I don't particularly care TBH. Besides the fact that we don't know what those devs are doing with our location + sensor data they are constantly collecting, they were always running on borrowed time. They made their money, now it's time to pivot to something else, like any other business.
Yeah I agree. The strategy is definitely to shut down apps, or make a killing on the ones that do stay.
What this should also signal to Reddit in general is that their app needs a lot to get to the usability and loyalty gained from 3rd party.
Maybe I can elaborate.
As somebody who uses the official Reddit app (Android), it's complete dog shit and ridden with bugs. Tapping links will often direct you to a completely different thread, videos often don't play or if they do, audio is disabled, sometimes comment threads don't load at all, etc. I would 100% recommend using a third-party app for browsing Reddit and the only reason I ditched BaconReader was because I had some compatibility issues a few years ago.
If the official app wasn't a vastly inferior alternative to browsing the site and like a worse version of New Reddit, a lot of people would be less pissed off at Spez over this.
Oh don't take me wrong, I am not saying they are handling this well. Specifically on the app, it's idiotic to force people off unofficial apps without the official app being if not better at least comparable in quality. That's why I use the web version - that and the fact I don't want apps collecting location and sensor data as I go about my day. I am not sure why people assume the Apollo devs are trustworthy and are not selling your data like everyone else does.