I've heard people claim cultural appropriation over this or that, but I'm not convinced it's a real thing, and not just people being offended on behalf of someone else.

That's not to say that cultures don't get appropriated, but is that a bad thing? White people rocking dreadlocks, cool. Black people sporting a kimono, nice. Asian people with Klan robes, what.

We live in a culturally interconnected global community now, no group has ownership over aesthetics.

[–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Cultural Appropriation is real, but it usually refers to entire nations or massive artists or corporations adopting a caricature of smaller cultures, to the extent that people start associating it with that nation or artist rather than the culture. An example here is Picasso using African imagery, or pop stars copying underground music genres and effectively killing them off.

The problem is that people use it to talk about regular people starting a Sushi restaurant or whatever. They do not have the power to do this sort of thing.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Fair enough. It reminds me of the whole conversation about critical race theory. It isn't what most people think it is, and is reserved for discussions regarding much more nuanced understandings.

I still think it's hard to distinguish whether something is, or isn't cultural appropriation. Where is the line between inspiration and a knock-off?

[–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 months ago

Where is the line between inspiration and a knock-off?

So firstly, just like critical race theory, cultural appropriation is meant to be analysis. Fixing it doesn't just mean "OK guys don't do a cultural appropriation", it's meant to explain why cultures can lose their identity, and how they struggle.

A big part of the analysis is the power differential. One of the problems is that the culture is more associated with the trope than the real culture. It's a very large and powerful community (or individual) taking art from a small community. It's Taylor Swift using a drawing to promote her songs, not paying for it, and asking the artist to be glad she gave her the attention. It's Britney Spears (IIRC) making a pop song using ideas from an online subgenre and not crediting it, causing the subgenre to implode.

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

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[–] Kanzar@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From what I've heard, plenty of black folks are mad about white people with dreadlocks because black people have been penalised for having locs for so long and along comes the dominant culture saying "actually that's cool and we're gonna make it cool, but you still look like shit".

Same with the fox eye trend that non Asians did for a bit, when Asian kids were forever bullied for having eyes like that.

Cultural sharing? Excellent. Cultural appropriation where one culture is plundered for anything of value and that culture is also denied acceptance for having those same characteristics? Not so good.

[–] Zozano@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

I understand that, but the people who were mad about those things were the fringe, most people didn't give a shit.

From what I remember, dreadlocks are a Caribbean thing, but the African-American population had adopted them.

There's a case to be made, based on what you're saying, that there's no issue because the African-American population weren't being oppressive.

However, Identity Politics is the most boring game in town. To judge who is culturally appropriating and who isn't is to assume a persons entire history based on the colour of their skin, which is, you know..