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I know I posted about this yesterday, but this article does a much better job than I can.

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[–] InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you’re having to avoid that, it sounds like you were either already going slow, or were going straight over those obstacles

No to both.
You seem stuck on the vertically of this scenario, and a trained software would likely make the same assumptions, yet they'd be wrong in some cases.

I did specifically mention swerving and not merely bumpy, from an actual real life scenario that I remember quite vividly.
I wasn't driving over any of these obstacles, because the car would have simply been destroyed, we'd have crashed and both died.
I wasn't driving that slow either, because my passenger was bleeding the fuck out.
The doc said it was a matter of minutes.

Software works fine for things where the driver's intent can be determined more clearly, like traction assist. I got no issue with that.
In this limit/kill-switch, driver intent cannot always be determined reliably because some factors depend on things there cannot be a sensor for.

I fail to see what problem this solution is supposed to address other than giving more power and data to companies and governments. Odds of this being a transparent, properly audited, open source solution are nil.

If it merely flagged you for review or something, maybe?
I'd have no issue with such a system if it merely tried to wake the driver up when it thinks you've fallen asleep.
If it takes control away from you, possibly in some fringe case emergency that's not accounted for in whatever software, it can fuck off.

Drunk drivers would either not opt-in, or bypass them illegally... like they already drive drunk, without licenses or plates illegally.

In Canada, we already have alcotest machines mandated in cars for people that have DUI infractions, maybe this technology could complement that.
For the general populace, it's not something I'd be excited about.

[–] PizzaMane@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You seem stuck on the vertically of this scenario, and a trained software would likely make the same assumptions, yet they’d be wrong in some cases.

Fair enough.

I fail to see what problem this solution is supposed to address

Drunk driving

Odds of this being a transparent, properly audited, open source solution are nil.

I don't disagree with you there, but just because it might end up being closed source and such doesn't mean it will be connected to the internet and giving your info to companies/the government. The bill specifies that it should be a passive system.

If it merely flagged you for review or something, maybe? I’d have no issue with such a system if it merely tried to wake the driver up when it thinks you’ve fallen asleep.

I wouldn't have a problem with either of those two options.

Drunk drivers would either not opt-in, or bypass them illegally… like they already drive drunk, without licenses or plates illegally.

I don't think it is that clear cut. Drunk driving isn't exactly a premeditated crime. It's one that generally happens on a whim. Sure, some people know they have a habit of doing it and would find a way to opt out, but it would still help address other drunk drivers.

In Canada, we already have alcotest machines mandated in cars for people that have DUI infractions, maybe this technology could complement that.

I would be open to that as well.


If we are really being honest, the easiest solution is to stop having car dependent cities and transportation networks. Nobody is gonna drive drunk when the train/subway/bus/sidewalk can get you home safely, quickly, cheaply, and easily.

Take a look at Japan's drunk driving fatalities. They have almost none. Part of that is their 'draconian' laws/low legal alcohol limits, and also probably culture. But they have fantastic public transportation, and it's a great option for drunks to get home.