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    Yeah, very sorry that this app is Windows only, would love to switch to Mac (feddit.de)
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    [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    My experience is the same, but still it's a Unix-like system. People who fear Linux may do Unix-like things with it. It's worth something.

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms, so it's really only Unix-like in name. Sure you can launch a bash or zsh shell, but there aren't a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew, so the experience isn't all that different from having to install Cygwin or WSL in Windows.

    [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Yeah, but none of the system tools and applications follow Unix-like paradigms,

    Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.

    but there aren’t a lot of useful things you can do with that without installing a bunch of third party tools like brew

    You can't do much without a package manager under Linux either.

    Homebrew, macports, pkgsrc etc are all just ports collections, like the FreeBSD one. A pretty Unixy kind of thing to use, more so than apt or yum.

    I hate Apple GUI, but technically it's almost as good as Linux to use.

    [–] SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    Eh, WTF? It has normal Unix-like userland tools.

    You don't understand what I mean.

    I mean that you can't really do much with those userland tools to effectively manage and configure your system. All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that's as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you're not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.

    MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.

    So yeah while MacOS technically still is "Unix", it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.

    [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

    You don’t understand what I mean.

    Well, you haven't been very specific with your language.

    All configuration is abstracted away in a forest of xml files (i.e. /Library/Preferences) that’s as opaque and undocumented as the Windows registry and which you’re not supposed to touch other than with the approved GUI tools.

    It's been some time since I touched MacOS, but there is a CLI tool for editing those preferences. Not unlike gconf. Actually gconf is apparently inspired by that and the Windows registry you so conveniently mentioned.

    Not that I'm a fan, quite the opposite.

    MacOS applications never follow Unix principles either regarding file placement.

    "Unix principles" is the same as "Unix philosophy", while you apparently mean Linux FHS. Yes, it's understandably ignored. Yes, maybe it shouldn't be.

    So yeah while MacOS technically still is “Unix”, it really is a giant monolithic blob of shite built on top of the skeleton of what once was a decent Unix.

    Well, see, comparing FreeBSD to Linux with its development path, for example, you might feel as if Linux was slowly moving in that direction as well. Linux users usually laugh at that sentiment and say that it's evolution. So - MacOS too has what its developers considered evolution from what Linux/FreeBSD/... have.

    Ah, also X11 is not that integral and traditional for Unix, if you imply that as well. Sun had its SunView in the olden days. There were other windowing systems.

    [–] mac@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago

    To add with Linux being unix-like not certified unix, macOS doesn't need to implement anything in Linux fhs style.

    [–] mac@infosec.pub 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Linux is unix-like, macOS is certified unix.

    [–] rottingleaf@lemmy.zip 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

    Certification is irrelevant really. There are Linux distribution releases which have been certified, just like MacOS.