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I always wonder why some open source projects choose discord and not matrix?
Matrix is cool but its user base is not there yet.
Then stop driving people to discord alone, at least use both so there’s an option
So... split the user (and support) base while invariably emphasizing the shortcomings of Matrix?
You can link them together at least that's how the discord and matrix chats are for our instance are. I can chat from discord and get replies from people in matrix
Ah, I was not aware of a way to bridge two channels/servers entirely. I know there are bots that people use to bridge their user accounts though.
If it is fully seamless? Sure. But I don't know why you are bothering then. But if it adds a "Bot" tag or any other hoops, you are still just making a worse experience for everyone. We ran into this back in the IRC days all the time.
Of course it isn't seamless, but I have seen good and bad implementations.
You can create a webhook in Discord and in Matrix that will share messages in channels back and forth
By that logic, why are you on lemmy?
And I'm on matrix too, but I'm just an individual. If I were trying to advertise my project I'd probably use discord / reddit as well tbh
Why not both?
Also, if all projects advertised only the largest platforms, how would small platforms grow?
Yup why both both
Discord and matrix are not searchable, they shouldn't be used at all
That's a client issue, not a protocol issue
It is. There's no way for search engines to join all the servers and index them all, thus there's no way to efficiently find information on them without already being there.
Are you talking about crawlers not being able to index matrix messenges?
It's not a website, there's no chat that's being indexed by crawlers, afaik.
You could index them if you wanted.
A chat is meant to be ephemeral. Unlike with a forum where it is a goal to have long lasting information sharing.
Usually you want to things for a project, one forum and one chat. The chat is more informal and not meant to replace a proper forum. You can basically chit chat in a chat but not in a forum.
The problem is many people are using them like forums, so a lot of potentially useful info is lost (which is more of an user issue than anything else)
That's the problem, discussions should happen on the open web, not hidden in chatrooms
There's nothijg hidden on matrix. You can verify yourself, go to the space of Nextcloud, GNOME, KDE, OPENSUSE, FEDORA, flatpak, neo store, libretube, etc. Nothing is hidden.
it's not literally hidden, but it's not easily searchable because since it's a chat, it's not indexable on search engines. A forum is a better solution to avoid the same questions being asked 1000x and to expose great solutions and advices.
Matrix is a terrible experience, honestly. It's incredibly slow and their "servers" don't really function as a community as much as a series of chat groups. I'm not fond of opening my chat app and then staring at it for 10-15 seconds while it loads all the new messages. And yes, I've tried different servers.
Discord is feature-rich. And now has the option to submit posts, which drastically increases usability and searchability. But it does have a big problem with privacy and ads.
Projects like this are much better suited for something like Gitlab.
matrix.org works just fine. Nowadays, the experience is as good as on any other chat app
Element is the thing that's subpar (to be generous) compared to other chat apps. Element X is better for the features that have been implemented, but the current feature set is very incomplete.
Mobile yes, desktop isn't subpar ime
Even desktop is more resource heavy than it should be. But yes, mobile is much worse.
Beg to differ. Not all of us want to be Beta_testers
Element on iOS is absolutely, definitely, slow!
Desktop is better or worse or the same?
Pretty much the same
I wonder why they don't just set up a forum
Perhaps they could create a community on programming.dev
I think Matrix suffers from some issues with large communities, for instance Graphene OS has already had to abandon 2-3 of their main group chats due to same bug and last time I checked (2-3 months ago) there has even been talks of switching to Discord. That is, just in case, a community of some of the most diehard privacy nerds btw
Even cooler page to sell you on the app. Very smooth gifs
Gifs are the USP