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[–] MamboGator@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So when a trans man with a big beard and a neck as thick as his thigh is forced to use the women's bathroom because of this, that's what conservatives want, right? Or are they just stupid and myopic?

[–] Neato@ttrpg.network 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Right, they know exactly what they are doing and what this will entail. It's a win-win for bigots because it's a lose-lose for trans people.

If a trans person disobeys the law and uses the bathroom of their identified gender and their gender expression, they are breaking the law and any shitass conservative now has a "right" to accuse people of being in the wrong bathroom. And we've seen this happen: accusations against both trans and cis people who aren't gender conforming "enough" for these asshats.

And if a trans person obeys the law and uses the bathroom for their gender assigned at birth, they run the real risk of the same type of confrontation with the bigots if they aren't gender conforming to their assigned gender at birth "enough".

Either way trans people (and cis people) are harassed in the bathroom. And this is the result Conservatives want: trans people made to feel unwelcome everywhere.

[–] thatsTheCatch 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Conservatives also fixate on trans women more than trans men, so they probably haven't even thought of this situation.

Stupid and myopic it is.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

This isn’t 1998, a huge amount of the hysteria over trans teens revolves explicitly around maintaining ‘healthy wombs’ (ex: ‘Irreversible Damage’). They’ve definitely thought about it because without fail it’s what the opponents of stuff like this immediately bring up. They just don’t care because the existence of trans men and how it would affect them doesn’t interfere with their objectives in the slightest.

Trans men and trans women just occupy different spheres of threats to bigots. They see trans women as a sexual threat and trans men as a social threat. Their obsessive paranoia imagines their wives getting sexually victimized, but their daughters getting “brainwashed.” That’s why states are trying to make it a crime to even speak to children about trans issues or be trans in public. It’s not just the bathrooms or the medical care, it’s about trying to eradicate being trans at all.

[–] Hyperreality@kbin.social 15 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They'll arrest the trans man for going to a women's bathroom and allied media will claim he was a transwoman who was assigned male at birth.

Similar thing happened with Mack Beggs. Trans man and wrestler. Despite his protests, state rules only allowed him to compete in the league for the sex he was assigned at birth. Ie. trans man wrestling women. Obviously had a strength advantage and dominated. Online and in right wing media, he was and still is often portrayed as a man pretending to be a woman.

Similarly, I have a cis female friend who's been harassed by the vagina police while trying to go for a shit, because someone decided they were insufficiently feminine or some nonsense like that.

Similar stories when muscular female athletes dominate. You'll get people alleging they're actually men with no evidence at all.

[–] MermaidsGarden@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Not really, they would just prefer trans people not exist at all. The legislation just follows from the worldview, constitutionality be damned.