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[–] hollyberries@programming.dev 61 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Born outside of the hospital system with no record of the birth. Essentially an unregistered individual.

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 50 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Setting that child up for failure. An actual pull themselves up by the bootstraps situation for them to have a chance at deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.

[–] Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago

Deciding if they want to be a part of society or live the life their parents forced upon them.

I just realized we all face this choice at some point. Some are more drastically different than others, but at some point we all have to decide if we follow what we've been taught through childhood, or if we follow outside influences of society.

[–] hollyberries@programming.dev 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

For sure. With the world moving towards fully digital records that child is going to be absolutely fucked in the future.

[–] Spiralvortexisalie@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Actually many people believe the same but in reverse. A lesser known fact is that the SSA assigns a SSN to every child born in a hospital Source - SSA guide on Process. It is supposed to be opt-in but court cases by Native Americans have shown that its essentially mandatory and so the driving force of these live births are to avoid their children being branded by a number than can serve as an identifier for the rest of their information. When these kids grow up they often have to get their congressmen involved to get the SSA to issue an SSN since one was not issued at birth. It shows their process works to an extent since they literally have to be vetted by local congressman to show they exist. I am sure there are users in privacy focused communities who would kill to drop off the grid similarly.

[–] MrEff@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I remember a case like this that was on reddit. She posted some video explaining the whole thing and that she turned 18 in a few weeks and had no documents. No birth cert, no SSN, no DL, no official docs of any kind. She was leaving her crazy anti gov parents when she turned 18 but realized she had no way to do it for that reason. The easiest solution people had for her to start the ball on all that was for her to sue her parents for a paternity test and go from there with sworn statements and such.

[–] Riven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

As I was reading I was wondering how one would start to prove who they are. A paternity test is definitely a good start. It links you to people who exist. I hope they write a book or sell the story at some point to help with their life. Parents really fucked it up for them.

[–] lauha@lemmy.one 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So technically not even a citizen

[–] losttourist@kbin.social 35 points 9 months ago

Legally a citizen (assuming born in the US) because lack of paperwork doesn't change the law - but with no way of actually proving it.

[–] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

That’s what they wanted