Well that's up to you. I'm no dissident either but I have family in Taiwan so you'll understand if I take it more personally. China can easily decide you (or your neighbors) need spying on for reasons unknown to you.

[–] BalpeenHammer 2 points 9 months ago (9 children)

Well that’s up to you. I’m no dissident either but I have family in Taiwan so you’ll understand if I take it more personally.

Sure I guess. Is China arresting or kidnapping people in Taiwan or something?

China can easily decide you (or your neighbors) need spying on for reasons unknown to you.

I am 100% convinced they are spying on as many people as possible but I am also 100% convinced that the number of people they spy on is much less than the number of people the USA is spying on. I am 100% convinced that the USA is spying on me, is recording this conversation, records my phone calls, and has a history of every web site I visited and what I did at those web sites and every call I made and every text I sent. I don't think the Chinese intelligence agencies have the same capability or reach that the US intelligence agencies have. Not even close.

[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Sure I guess. Is China arresting or kidnapping people in Taiwan or something?

I haven't heard of people being abducted from Taiwan, but friends were detained while transferring flights in Hong Kong over some China-critical social media posts.

... have the same capability or reach that the US intelligence agencies have

Fair but while America is far from squeaky clean, I've never avoided traveling via one of their airports for fear of something I said about their president on social media. And if they did I wouldn't, except in extreme cases, disappear from the face of the earth with my family having no idea what happened to me. China does these things routinely. Even to very prominent members of their own society.

Look if you say "I'm not involved, it's not my problem" that's fair enough. But to say there's no difference between the US (which I fully acknowledge does lots of bad things) and China is missing the plot a bit.

[–] Rangelus 1 points 9 months ago

Fair but while America is far from squeaky clean, I’ve never avoided traveling via one of their airports for fear of something I said about their president on social media. And if they did I wouldn’t, except in extreme cases, disappear from the face of the earth with my family having no idea what happened to me. China does these things routinely. Even to very prominent members of their own society.

This is exactly the point. Both are bad, but one plays by no rules whatsoever, while the other at least pays lip service to them.

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