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[–] sosodev@lemmy.world 25 points 7 months ago (2 children)

You forgot to mention the Roman Empire

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago

I'm only interested in the Roman Emperor, Marcus Aurelius because of his meditations. The things he wrote down for just himself to see are some of the most humbling passages I've ever come across. The exception to the rule that absolute power corrupts absolutely. A god to his people who paid a peasant to whisper in his ear to remind him he was just a man. Rome experienced a time of peace and prosperity under his rule without needless wars of conquest.

He was a good man and I aspire to be more like him.

[–] Purplexingg@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I'm pretty sad Rome got co opted to be like a weird right ideology. I read the Percy Jackson books growing up so I've always been fascinated with ancient Greece and Rome.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Oppressive military dictatorship that really likes their military is idolized by wannabe oppressive military dictators who really like their millitary? Who'd have thought?

Oh, also the deep ties to cristianity and fascism. Inquisitions and crusades are exactly the legacy they're after.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'll shit talk the Empire all day but the Inquisitions and Crusades aren't on them.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago

I suppose that's fair, but there are a number of alarming things done in the name of the empire, especially after it fell. The whole latin influence on Europe was a net negative in my opinion. However, I can agree that blaming them for what happened later is a bit harsh.

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Said oppressive military dictatorship was also way more socialist than anything we have today.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Not sure what the point of linking a Wikipedia page for a basic fact everyone learns in 3rd grade is.

[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Socialism is at some point on the scale of private property is collectively managed, therefore advancing towards a classless society. A society with slaves, by definition, cannot be socialist.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 7 months ago

Or, in other words, between that and literally everything else about Rome, only a real clown of a person would say something like "Rome was more socialist than any modern society"

[–] Gabu@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

Socialism is at some point on the scale of private property is collectively managed

Which did happen for pretty much every society pre-capitalism... which includes Rome.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago

I’m pretty sad Rome got co opted to be like a weird right ideology

Rome was think with right wing ideology for much of it's history.

A great deal of our understanding of fascism in the modern area comes from Roman histories