I've been seeing a lot of anti-voting sentiment going around. Can't believe I have to say this, but you need to vote. Not only is there more to the election than just the president. (State policy, Senate, house), but not voting is not an act of protest. C'mon guys

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[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 66 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

And don't act like voting is a blood oath. You're not pledging undying loyalty to a candidate - you're saying you'd prefer them over the other plausible options. Nobody gives a shit if they're your special favorite. You think we love these people? No. They're just the best we could do, arguing with thousands of other assholes.

If that's "the lesser evil," sure, why the fuck would you want more evil? It's not like staying home means nobody gets to be president.

[–] juergen@lemmy.sdf.org 26 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Even Geralt of Rivia eventually had to admit the the path of 'choosing none of the evils' Just Does Not Work.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 31 points 9 months ago

Yeah, a moral dilemma doesn't just go away if you ignore it. An outcome will happen. You are invited to influence it. Have an opinion, dammit.

[+] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] JustEnoughDucks@feddit.nl 29 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

If you don't vote for biden then you too, are complicit in the genocide of Palestinians under Trump. You are personally complicit in the doubling or tripling of deaths, doubled or tripled export of weapons, and the outspoken sentiment of "kill them all" that Trump (your vote) actually expressed.

But good job trying to be a right wing fascist troll and guilting people into not voting so Trump wins.

It is exactly the same as the "personal carbon footprint" BS that corporations pushed to get the attention off the fact that 100 companies that individuals have no control of create over 70% of world emissions. Guilt people into accepting even worse outcomes and conditions by blaming them for things they literally cannot control.

[–] pkill@programming.dev 1 points 9 months ago

"if you falsely testify that a criminal A didn't commit the charges against them, you're contributing to the acquittal of his partner B"

I mean it's true when you think about it, but at the same time you actually don't contribute to less evil being there in the world because you've breached your oath. Lesser evilism in a nutshell.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 29 points 9 months ago (1 children)

And electing Trump would be different, somehow. The asshole who supported Israel even harder.

[+] Sop@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

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[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 16 points 9 months ago

bOtH SiDeS

[–] boomzilla@programming.dev 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

About Trumps (or more that of his advisers) connection to Israel

"According to a LifeWay poll conducted in 2017, 80 per cent of evangelical Christians view the creation of Israel in 1948 as a fulfilment of Biblical prophecy."

"The tenet of Christian Zionism is that God's promise of the Holy Land to the Jews is eternal. It's not just something in antiquity," Ms Oldmixon said. "When we talk about the Holy Land, God's promise of the Holy Land, we're talking about real estate on both sides of the Jordan River. So the sense of a greater Israel and expansionism is really important to this community. Jerusalem is just central to that. It's viewed as a historical and biblical capital.

Beyond the rebuilding of the temple, Israel is also important to evangelical eschatology because they believe it will be home to the final battle of good against evil in which God obliterates his enemies and ushers in the millennial reign of Christ."

Do you think there'll be any considerations for the plight of the palestinians left if those absolutely bonkers sect of christo fascists will get their 1000 year reign?

Biden at least adressed his concerns about Netanyahu directly within an interview recently. That would never happen under Trump. So they're far from being equally horrible.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/10/biden-makes-contradictory-remarks-on-red-lines-for-israel-in-gaza