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I don't like Biden either, but anyone with half a brain knows there are two choices in the 2020 election. If we had a sane voting system, voting third party might be worth it, but as it stands, no one but you knows your favorite candidate exists and unless you want to become their campaign manager that will still be true in November. Even if you did, and even if you convinced two thirds of the people who would otherwise have voted for Biden to vote for your chosen candidate instead, Trump would still win because half the country voted for him and your guy only got a third. If you vote third party you might as well stay home.

Not voting isn't going to stop the genocide in Gaza. The US will continue to funnel them arms no matter which candidate wins this November. Trump practically campaigns on how much he hates the Jews and he's publicly told Israel to "finish up their war". He'll also make life a living hell for anyone who isn't a straight cisgender male back here at home.

A vote for a candidate is not an endorsement of them or their policies, it's a statement that you like their policies more than the other guy's, and "sticking it to liberals" and "refusing to support genocide" (that's not what voting for Biden is doing, by the way -- a vote for either candidate is a vote for genocide and a vote for neither is an endorsement of both) is not more important than keeping the furthest right politician America has ever seen out of office.

How incredibly privileged do you have to be to see an entire national election as what will happen in the Middle East and ignore Trump's campaign promises to wipe transgender Americans off the map, and further, to not realize that the same thing will happen in the Middle East regardless of which candidate wins?

I hate Biden as much as every other leftist here. But I'll still vote for him because Trump is worse. If there's a single bone in your body that cares about the lives of your trans friends you will too.

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[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 60 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Liberals would rather blame leftists than actually fight fascism.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 27 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Leftist here. What are you doing to "fight," brother?

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 6 points 7 months ago (2 children)

They recommend nothing at all.

Remember comrades,

-Direct action (strike, strike, strike, preferably imo, and hold ur surplus value hostage)

-Mutual aid

-Voting to ensure you can pursue the first 2 with minimal govt interference

All are acceptable avenues. All are necessary. None are mutually exclusive.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The direct action is organizing. Creating communities and networks and advocacy. Being proactive and not fighting/alienating people.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

That sounds like mutual aid to me, whereas protesting/striking/[REDACTED] are direct action, but whatever, fuck the definitions. We clearly want the same. Keep organizing and building bridges, ur spot on.

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry, I didn’t mean to sound like I was arguing. I am agreeing with you.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 3 points 7 months ago

Well.... i should save face somehow....hmmm.....

pursue mutual aid then, fuckface, since we must argue!!! I bet u hate that!!!1!🤬😡🤬😡

/s

Sorry too much internet

[–] juicy@lemmy.today 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Stop pretending to be a radical leftist when you support genocide: https://midwest.social/comment/8554707

“Support genocide” in this case means not abandoning a 70 year ally when our other allies are already worried we are fickle and support or dont support them based on whos in charge every 4 years.

[–] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 4 points 7 months ago

Lol. Someone doesnt understand geopolitics.

We have an open trade agreement with israel. They want to buy, we say how much. I never said i supported it, but if ur curious ive been railing against the apartheid state for 15 years now simce back before i was a leftist. Doesnt change that there is no candidate thatd be capable of ending that policy on a whim.

[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 4 points 8 months ago

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[–] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] hex_m_hell@slrpnk.net 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

There are folks preparing for armed insurrection. I would say there are probably enough of those folks already, I'm not saying they're wrong, just that it's easy to think of that as a default solution and miss the much more important foundation building work.

Collective disaster preparedness is indistinguishable from preparing the logistical side of a revolution. The art of was says that for every person on the field of battle, 7 are in support.

The idea of the revolutionary with a gun is attractive, especially for those of us socialized male. But there are a lot of critical roles that are revolutionary and are not that. In a lot of ways the glorification of the militant serves the state by making the resiatence easier to kill. Focus on the things that are harder to justify killing people over and harder for feds to figure out how to disrupt. The armed part of the Panthers were used to justify the attacks, but the breakfast program is why they were a real threat.

My favorite example from the past of a revolutionary project I worked on was our local GDC's food security committee. We started with a shared pantry for members. This allowed some members to engage in riskier things like striking because they knew they'd have food covered. Other times it just supported people through hard times. We did some guerilla gardening on some abandoned plots. I learned to forage. Eventually it grew in to a few folks regularly bringing canned food to houseless camps and providing them material support.

Houseless camps are a threat to the stability of the state. They are necessarily a lawless space which threaten the legitimacy of the state.

The biggest lesson we need to take away from the Syrian civil war is that whoever can fulfil the needs of the people becomes the regional power. The state will control resource (like food) to control people. If you can disrupt their ability to control those resources or provide alternatives, then the state has less power to leverage. Simultaneously, fascist terrorists will attack the infrastructure in order to inflict suffering and control people. In both cases, providing things like food to comrade makes resistence possible and undermines the legitimacy of an authoritarian state.

A state that cannot fulfil the needs of its people loses legitimacy. But the other pillar, aside from fulfilling needs, is the legitimacy of the infrastructure of violence. My other favorite project was an independent journalism and public records activism collective. Lucy Parsons Labs OpenOversight is a plarform for police accountability. Since police ultimately will never be held accountable, pointing this out weakens the state's ability to leverage them without losing legitimacy with the people.

So erode the narrative of the state and build it's replacement. If you read Che Guevara's Guerilla Warfare or any book like that, you'll realize that the literal fighting part is probably the smallest and least import part of a revolution. The fate of the revolution is decided long before anyone picks up a gun.

So go talk to your neighbors, find out what they need. Organize with comrades. Join food not bombs. Push local disaster prep groups to support houseless camps, since it's also indistinguishable from supporting people after a major natural disaster. If you do all the legal and easily justifiable things then if a fed infiltrates your group they just end up doing a lot of work without being able to disrupt anything.

Finally, go read as much as you can about the Rojava. Learn about Libertarian Communalism and think about how that translates to the US context.

To do any of this you need to organize. Start a book club or join one. Join FNB. Find other people. Talk to your neighbors. You would be amazed how many normal people actually want radical change. I've talked to liberals who are really radicals who haven't figured out how to make it actually work. Don't discount normal folks, because revolution is impossible without their involvement.

Edit: a note on foraging, one of the critical things for a revolutionary guerilla force is soap. Most US cities have abundant horse chestnuts (buckeyes or conkers). These are natural soap and can be used for laundry detergent, hand soap, or body soap. To anyone in an urban area, you're welcome.

[–] Masterblaster420@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

thank you for an excellent, well-written post. you're 100% correct. i'd like to also add the need for secure communication to that list of logistics. the revolution needs hackers and programmers so badly.

but yeah, all that plus vote biden, whether you like it or not. we can eat him later.

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 25 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

If you look at how many times liberals staged a coup and put a dictator in charge because a country decided to democratically elect a vaguely leftist president you start to realize they much prefer fascism to leftism. Now they're just doing the same thing domestically.

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago

Fascism is colonial imperialism turned inward.

[–] glockenspiel@programming.dev 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You could say similar about our leftist history. How many countries did we instigate revolutions in to overthrow even somewhat democratic governments?

Radicals will rationalize anything including putting Trump back into office.

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

That logic doesn't follow. We used insurgencies to overthrow leftist democracies in favor of fascism, so leftists something something?

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 months ago

Socialist states have historically assisted in socialist revolutions of bourgois dictatorships.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 8 months ago

See: Weimar Republic