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[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

You must know that it's not total wealth of the nation, but the wealth of citizens that matters. When China is broadly all middle class, there won't be cheap labour. Amazon, EBay and others is still awash with cheap goods that doesn't always pass standards claimed. As I've repeatedly said, I don't just blame Chinese companies for this, but those large multinational companies. I have said multiple times, it is unfair that Chinese manfacturing is blamed alone for this. There really should be "Amazilian" to go with "Chinesium" or something that combines them. This cheap crap is a problem for a lot of people. The environment. The buyers, not protected by the standards of their markets. Other manufacturers, having to acturally follow the standards, so struggle to compete on cost even more. It has made people, including me, skeptical of what may well be quality good coming out of China. Time will tell and build reputation. I hope for the end of cheap crap, but as I said, it will move on from China. Other economies have room for a lot of growth until all citizens everywhere are broadly similar. Seams like none of this is something I haven't basically said at least once before....

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Repeating your incorrect or racist tangents multiple times is not a virtue, not does it suddenly make your false statements suddenly true

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

So any unflattering critique of a section of Chinese industry is racist. Though of American, is unnote worthy. You like the CCP by any chance?

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Incorrect again.

Insisting on your ethnic-based("Chinesium") value judgments rather than accepting the relevant, material non-ethnic information that disagrees with your misguided notions is racist.

You are again conflating industry with ethnicity. They are not the same thing.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Again, I'm saying that term exist because the problem exists. Again, Amazon and EBay, etc, should be blamed too. I'm arguing about governance. Race doesn't even exist. EU and US (and others) have turned a blind eye to the sale of things not meeting regulations of their markets. The Chinese government has turn a blind eye to this stuff manufacture and the flyby night shell companies selling it. I've already said China will not always be the place and it will move on to somewhere else. The problem, which you seam to want to deny exists and try to shut down will calls of racism, is not really China, it is bad governance and capitalism, and just corruption. As I said multiple times, it's not really fair China is blamed alone.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

It's gratifying that you're backtracking and blaming your ignorance and irrelevant criticisms on the government and corporate responsibility, that is a step forward for you, but it doesnt negate your previous ethnic prejudice and certainly doesn't excuse you from continuing to focus on narrow irrelevant criticisms that you clearly don't understand and aren't related to the topic.

Keep it up though, your equivocation of your own racial prejudice with corporate standardization has made it much easier to knock down your arguments.

And I do appreciate you agreeing with all of my points, if belatedly and with a healthy dose of intentional misunderstanding and manipulation.

It's bizarre that you keep parroting my words to me, coated in a veneer of your own ethnic and cultural superiority, as if you've discovered, bastardized and colonized the concepts I have been explaining to you for a dozen comments.

Do you understand that you aren't allowed to be racist because you don't think race exists?

A disclaimer to cast aspersions on ethnicities you disapprove of is not what the phrase "race doesn't exist" is for.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Racism exists, but race doesn't. It's just social construct. Humans are boringly undiverse. I've not said anything else.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I don't think you understod you were being racist until maybe three comments ago when my explanations finally clicked for you, but there's no point denying what you said when anyone can scroll up.

Your myriad of prejudices about the Chinese people based specifically on their ethnicity, especially 1) The ethnic slurs 2) ignoring evidence contrary to your points because of their ethnicity and 3) misattributing non-ethnic characteristics to who "they" are examples of your racism.

You should accept and learn from your mistakes and move on, or you can vainly pretend you haven't written what you have and I can tell people to scroll up.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I think you just read what you wanted, as you wanted, to shut down discussion.

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Not at all, but I understand why you're upset, your misdirection isn't working.

You work very hard at avoiding subjects to avoid accountability while speaking out the side of your mouth to pretend you aren't avoiding the subject, so it must be frustrating when that doesn't work out for you.

Unfortunately for you, I can keep multiple topics, logic and context consistent, so pretending that we were talking about something else isn't going to work.

You're wrong about Chinese EVs, pursued irrelevant tangents, realized that wouldn't work, requested independent testing of the EVs, ignored the evidence of independent testing I provided, admitted that you were wrong about Chinese manufacturing, all while leaning on baseless ethnic stereotypes to buttress your misguided assumptions and ignorance, that you tried to explain was okay because race isn't real.

You can keep trying, though.

Or you can just admit to yourself that you made mistakes and move on.

But you aren't going to trick anybody, it's way too easy to scroll up.

[–] jabjoe@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Sorry you think that, but I'm not paid to arguing forever and have other things to do so.......

[–] Varyk@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Apologize for yourself, not for others.