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[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 147 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (4 children)

I cannot upvote this enough. It also mirrors how Portugal is approaching illegal drug use - with dedicated teams of professionals providing free, compassionate care. "The commission assesses whether the individual is addicted and suggests treatment as needed. ‘Non-addicted’ individuals may receive a warning or a fine, but the commission can decide to suspend enforcement of these penalties for six months if the individual agrees to get help — an information session, motivational interview or brief intervention — targeted to their pattern of drug use. If the individual completes the program and doesn’t appear before the commission again for six months, their case is closed."

It's not perfect, but it is getting results: "According to a New York Times analysis, the number of heroin users in Portugal has dropped from 100,000 to just 25,000 today. The number of HIV diagnoses caused by injection drug use has plummeted by more than 90 per cent. Over the last 20 years, levels of drug use in Portugal are consistently under the European average, particularly with young people between the ages of 15-34."

Turns out when you treat people as valuable and give them real alternatives they'll more often than not start cooperating in improving their lives. Not all of them - the model isn't perfect and neither are all people - but it seems to work way better than a "war on drugs/drug users" approach.

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 66 points 7 months ago (1 children)

But if you treat drug users as human beings, where will the police get their justification for fuckmassive budgets to buy surplus military equipment painted scawwy black (because blue is SO civil servant, and olive drab just isn't COOL enough) and pay grifters to tell them how hard their pp will get when they kill another human being????

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 37 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Antifa. and, uh, you know. all those progressives that riot everywhere. and stuff. Collumbia State is a warzone!! a WARZONE!

(excuse me while I go vomit. /s)

[–] Alto@kbin.social 9 points 7 months ago

It's hilarious (in an awful, despairing way) how much of what we're watching directly mirroring how the media manufactured consent for Iraq

[–] TempermentalAnomaly@lemmy.world 29 points 7 months ago (3 children)

In Oregon, we attempted to model Portugal's drug policy. The roll out was a mess and treatment centers weren't funded for several years. Additionally, following the advice of people in the field, the measure didn't include the mandatory meeting with the inter-disciplinary local commission like in Portugal. Instead, there was a hotline set up and possession became a citation. Unfortunately, the citation didn't have the number to the hotline. In places like Portland, the cops at least gave out a business card with hotline number on it in addition to the citation.

Several years later, we have a roll back of the citations to making drug use illegal again. It's not as bad as 2019, but it isn't Portugal either. The biggest strike against it was the public use of drugs in downtown areas and in small encampments. Sadly, this was happening nation wide, but Measure 510 was blamed. And this roll back seems to have taken drug decriminalization off the table in other states altogether. I hope someone braves these waters again, but the advocates who helped design the program have seemingly shuttered their legislative pushes elsewhere.

I wonder if things would have been slightly different if we hewed closer to the Portugal model. Sad that the worst off of us will suffer.

[–] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

There are definitely a lot of moving parts, and it's hard to know which are essential until their absence causes failures. Learning how to deal with addiction is not an undertaking the world is anywhere near finishing. It hurts to hear about Oregon's failure because a) suffering sucks and b) it may impede future efforts by way of being a bad example.

[–] Cuttlefish1111@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Intentional sabotage

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I’m not sure if this is going to work with our current system because 1) I don’t see enough punishment for their moral failures, 2) not enough profit/investment opportunities to capitalize on their vulnerable position and lastly 3) half of our two ruling parties fundamentally disagrees with the concept of a better future.

It’s a good start, but I think if you underline how we can make big money while maintaining the status quo, then we could arrive at something doable.

[–] KidnappedByKitties@lemm.ee 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People in withdrawal famously work poorly, but the forced slavery model is otherwise popular?

Drug rehab with indentured servitude and thought control?

Maybe you could tack an inflated medical bill on top of an AA protocol, to reuse some established concepts, and rebrand it as NA or something?

/s

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 5 points 7 months ago

We’re going to save the homeless and addicted and make them pay for it!

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I heard about the Portuguese program in a Ted talk. Well done!

[–] Andromxda@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Sure. It wasn't about the Portuguese program in particular, but on addiction.

Here you go: Portugal is mentioned about 8:30 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs&list=PLlT0ph_Ig5Rc8xVBw47aZfLsOGw-lxRWb&index=8&pp=iAQB

Sorry, just realized I was replying to a comment, not the original post. Temperamental anomaly mentioned Portugal's drug program.