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[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Tu détestes le français spécifiquement, ou juste le fait d'avoir eu à apprendre une autre langue?

Le français, je peux comprendre un peu, il y a quant même plusieurs spécificités étranges à cette langue. Ce n'est pas pour rien qu'on passe plusieurs années à l'apprendre avant d'éventuellement passer à la littérature. Je crois que les cours d'anglais langue première font cette transition beaucoup plus tôt.

Détester le fait d'avoir eu à apprendre une autre langue, là je ne comprends pas du tout!

[–] ndondo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Pour les spécificités étrange avez vous un example?

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Pour un apprenant anglophone, par exemple:

  • Les objets inanimés genrés
  • Les lettres muettes en fin de mot (s au pluriel, e final, etc)
  • Les différentes façons d'écrire un même son (é, er, et, ai)
  • Les différentes façons de prononcer une même lettre (c, s)
  • L'énorme quantité de conjugaisons de verbes possibles
[–] crapwittyname@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

T'as oublié la liaison. La putain de liaison de merde fait chier.

[–] JamesStallion@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago

Le Subjonc.......go fuck yourself

[–] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Tu détestes le français spécifiquement, ou juste le fait d'avoir eu à apprendre une autre langue?

Я ненавижу французский конкретно. Я сожалею, что так и не выучил итальянский должным образом.

Le français, je peux comprendre un peu, il y a quant même plusieurs spécificités étranges à cette langue.

That accoustic dumpster fire shouldn't even be referred to as a language.

Détester le fait d'avoir eu à apprendre une autre langue, là je ne comprends pas du tout!

Außer mangelnder Zeit habe ich kein Problem damit neue Sprachen zu lernen.

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess I have my answer ;) I don't know Russian but I know enough Ukrainian to know you're talking about French and Italian, lol. And I know barely enough German to know you're talking about learning languages (Sprachen).

Not quite sure what you hate accoustically about French, though... The "r" sounds? I guess they're very different from most other languages, but you seem to like German... If you're comparing to Spanish (among others), I guess the overall stressing of sounds in a sentence is pretty different, too.

Also, what kind of French did you have to learn? France has a very different sound from Québec for example... Altough if I look closely I see you're on the sh.itjust.works instance and you mention having to learn it in school, which tends to indicate you're Canadian. I guess hating on French is par for the course, then...

[–] _cnt0@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I guess I have my answer ;) I don't know Russian but I know enough Ukrainian to know you're talking about French and Italian, lol.

I said that I hate French specifically and that I regret never having learned Italian properly. In German I said that I have no problem with learning new languages if it wasn't for lack of time.

Not quite sure what you hate accoustically about French, [...]

Reading and writing French is OK(ish, if I didn't vocalize it in my head). I really hate the sound of that language. It sends shivers down my spine. I think for one thing I prefer harder/rougher sounding languages. Also, I'm an unforgiving person. We were told we can start learning a third language when we are in 7th grade. I was pondering whether to pick up Russian, Italian or Swedish. Then 7th grade comes around and the school's like: Yah, you can choose between French and Latin. Well, fuck you too school. I hate our school system for this (and other reasons) to this day.

but you seem to like German

Being German, I'm kind of stuck with it. Not that I particularly dislike it, though.

If you're comparing to Spanish (among others), I guess the overall stressing of sounds in a sentence is pretty different, too.

I dislike French, the language, not the people. I slightly dislike Spaniards, but not their language. Italian people speak loudly because they talk across the street. Spanish people do that while standing right next to each other. I think I'll never get used to that.

Also, what kind of French did you have to learn?

French French.

[...] which tends to indicate you're Canadian.

Ha! Show me one comment where I apologized ;-)

[–] ebc@lemmy.ca 2 points 7 months ago

Sorry I mistook you for a Canadian. There were just a couple clues pointing in that direction. I totally get you though, loving or hating a language isn't something rational; I used to have a strong dislike for Spanish for pretty irrational reasons.

If you like rougher languages, you should listen to some Québec French, then. There's actually a song about how it sounds really different from France's French: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgiNoNqYXMA