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"Protected more" is a meaningless metric. The threat of destruction is not eliminated with a one-time response, but they're acting like it is.
I could get the same results by saying "I hereby threaten the entire planet with destruction unless I get a soda in the next few minutes."
"Oh, I got one? I guess that means I saved the planet."
I'm not sure if you're conflating Biden with the totality of human civilization here, or just not understanding what protecting public land means in the context of US government action.
No no, I get that US corporations ask for public land for privatized gains all the time, and keep increasing how much they ask for when they get it. The number of requests keeps going up, so the number of refusals going up isn't shocking.
Did you realize that almost 11 million acres of the 12.8 million of 'conservation' were simply rollbacks from the Trump era to the Obama era? He had 2 years to so that, but waited until 2023. Edit:Source
My point is that it's a single metric and out of context does not actually tell you why they were threatened to begin with. I.E. maintaining the status quo does not warrant a medal. Still voting for him.
It wasn't a matter of 'waiting', as the link in your source, notes...
2023 was finalization, not a last-minute "Oh, NOW I'm going to protect things".
Governments have intentionally slow processes.
Cool. So it was the status quo, and just hitting 'undo'. Why the meme portraying that as the greatest conservation act in history? It's disingenuous.
Sorry, would you prefer "Biden is on-track to unfuck more land given away by a corrupt corporate crony than any modern first-term president in history"?
I didn't realize that you can only claim credit for something if no one before you had ever done anything to fuck it up in the first place.
Thanks for admitting you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, though, and were just grasping at straws with that "Well, he didn't do it until 2023!" bit.
Sorry, I just realized - that quote you gave, claiming was in my sourced link.. isn't. I just re-read it and did multiple searches. After googling your quote, I found it on a separate doi.gov article. So, thanks for mocking me for something you didn't check. You also highlighted that he had from 2021 as well, so I don't even know why you're using that as an argument. He still had 2 years.
But you're right. When I saw that like 85% of the argument of this claim is for hitting 'undo', I assumed that the 2023 date was due to political delay for posterity, not political delay per the status quo. My bad.
Thanks for not checking your own attempt at a 'gotcha'.
... Jesus Christ. I legitimately can't tell if you're being serious right now.
Dude, THAT quote is in my link. Yeah.
THIS ONE wasn't.
Edit: OK, I see what you're saying now, but you removed the OTHER hyperlink from that quote to make it readable, and there are no less that 40 links in this article. My apologies for not clicking through each and every linked article before responding. Jesus.
Perhaps just the ones relevant to the point you were making would have been a wise choice.
YOU used that as a counter-claim that it was done 2023 because the leases were suspended in 2021.. as a claim for 2023 being a record year? Obviously I'm not pre-researching potential counter-claims to my argument that don't make any sense.
Now, to clarify, are you arguing that the 11 million acres were ACTUALLY protected in 2021 (making the meme false) or are you saying that he DIDN'T wait, but 2023 is the earliest it could have happened? Because in that case, it would seem like you should've posted something further along the timeline than from Jan 2021 to July 2021.
No, as a counter-claim that the finalization in 2023 was just 'waiting' until the last minute, when the suspensions in 2021 show that the process had been ongoing. Jesus Christ, have you never interacted with the government at all? Do you think it works like a vending machine? Push a button, and get what you want five seconds later?
Why?
Yes, he did step 1 in January 2021. It was resolved in July 2021. What THEN?
I've already admitted that I didn't check WHY it was delayed and just assumed, but you're coming at me like I should have this concrete knowledge that of COURSE it took until September 2023, 'because see, I have proof from July 2021. Case closed.'
You assuming the government is working at its top speed of 'incredibly slow' and my assuming that the government is working at its exact speed of 'wait until you can get votes out of it' are neither proven nor disproven by the article you linked, meaning you're just shouting a data point at me that has no bearing on literally anything. I'm trying to understand why you're shilling so hard for this meme, when it is such a flimsy argument at best.
... it wasn't resolved in July. It was suspended.
Oh, Christ.
Actually the 'It' I was referring to was the fact that Biden passed the Executive Order in January and then the Secretary of Interior passed the Secretary's Order 3401. 'Resolved' may not be the correct terminology, but since you're ignoring 85% of your own argument, it makes sense that you ignore 85% of mine.
Oh, also, those leases that you're hyper-focused on account for less than half a percent of the conserved 10.6 million acres.
So your argument is that because the suspension occurred, the issue was resolved, despite the fact that the suspension was only the first major step in the process.
Jesus Christ.
Okay...
365,000 is ~3.5% of 10.6 million. That failure to fact check even your most basic assertions tracks with your conduct thus far.
I didn't 'hyper-focus' on those leases. I pointed out that the suspension of those leases was the first step in the process. If you can't even be arsed to read the sources, I don't really know what you expect. Me to spoon-feed you?
We're done here.
You've routinely ignored the majority of my posts for insignificant details while ignoring giant glaring issues. 88% of your original argument is just hitting 'undo' from the worst president for the environment in history. (No i didnt fact check because you'll just respond to it instead of the rest of this.)
The meme is bad and I'm sorry if it's OC, because it reads like simping for Biden in a Trumpian way. There's better propaganda.
You could save a ton of typing if you just said you don't like it that Biden refused the corporate land grabs.
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face or whatever they say 😎
My nose was cut off, and this meme is acting like stapling it back on deserves a medal.
God, I hate to see how you interact with your doctors.
willow project.
Trusting Biden on climate…. Is a two edged sword that cuts you twice. Like those cheap razors with extra blades…
It's almost like everything the president does involves balancing disparate interests and expenditure of political capital
Gee it’s almost like he didn’t break a major campaign promise months after reaching the whitehouse to do it
Gee it’s also like climate change isn’t an existential threat to society.
You’re “balancing disparate interests” include almost exclusively corporations and almost completely ignore the fucked legacy being left behind by Biden (whose been a leader in politics longer than I’ve been alive and definitely deserves some ire here,) and politicians like him.
The willow project is a text book example of him breaking his word and supporting oil companies (who didn’t even ask for it to be picked back up,) in favor of literally supporting our collective grandkids ability simply fucking exist in a comfortable world.
From the very fucking source I posted:
But sure, it's just all the big bad corpos, they're all on one side, and the people are on another. Anyone who does anything that helps the corpos is just their slave. Politics is delightfully simple, it would seem.
Gee, wouldn't be awesome if we could just, you know, fund schools?
naw. That's too easy. and too "socialist" even though it's probably less expensive than, you know, all the damage that will be caused... this year... by massive fires, extremely intense storms or other things affected by (and affecting) climate change.
Edit: side note, how much do you think corporations spent to make sure their tax revenue was funding people's public schools? how much do you think they spent to let people know that?
Goodness, why didn't Biden think of that? With a stroke of his pen, he could have solved all of these issues! Raised taxes, changed state laws for funding schools, and united all the necessary Federal apparatuses to change with it, and everyone would have cheered and toasted his name! Goodness, I'm so glad that's how our government works! One man, once elected, can lawfully remake the nation as he sees fit, no other elected officials or separation of powers or bureaucratic processes involved!
Yes, it's fucking ridiculous. That's not the same as saying "Man who isn't High Supreme Dictator For Life hasn't done it because he's in the pocket of THE CORPOS"
People have interests, and those interests are often tied up in institutions and processes that are not able to be changed by one official, not even the highest official in the fucking land. Sorry that the process of government isn't quick and easy, and unfucking it is a massive undertaking that takes longer than a lunch break.
Nationwide, around 10% of funding for schools is public. In Alaska it was 7% in 2020. You're right in saying it would take an act of congress. Biden loves taking credit for acts of congress, though. so he can take credit for that, too. Further, he was a senator for longer than I've been alive. His leadership in the DNC has shaped the nation and is a large, if not-exclusive, part of how we got into this mess.
but do go ahead, insist it's NoT BiDeN's FaUlT when a) he has a very long track record that is a significant part of the problem and b) while he can't act unilaterally, he largely hasn't acted in any meaningful way.
Literally the only justification for voting for Biden is that trump is worse. that's not an argument for Biden... and after a certain point you have to wonder if maybe that's the reason he didn't pressure his DoJ to hurry the fuck up with trump indictments... you know... for fucking espionage... or even the entire reason Trump is allowed to be a political candidate at all.
But sure the guy whose done nothing for decades... he's gonna save us with some parks.
Oh, okay, yes, that's the problem, Biden just didn't realize he could take credit for something that Congress did. Good thing Congress would definitely be onboard with it, included a supermajority in the Senate.
Jesus fucking Christ.
And you wonder why this whole line of thinking is seen as deeply unserious.
in 2020, Biden ran on his vast tenure. but apparently, its "deeply unserious" to look at what hes done? He'll likely mention it again in the coming year
And yes, he does take credit for acts of congress. the build back better plan comes immediately to mind. Or did you think he did that exclusive? American Recovery Act, too. in fact, he pretty much takes credit for every major piece of legislation that comes off. And to be fair, he does do some heavy lifting and horse trading to get it done, but he's far- far from alone on that.
No, it's deeply unserious to have vast criticisms of what Biden hasn't done with a complete and total ignorance of how the government or the presidency works.
Riiiight.
maybe you should explain how it all works to the fucking POTUS, then, since he loves taking credit for congressional acts that he think's we'll like. can't have it both ways. that you try to insist he should get it both ways is hilarious.
it is a valid criticism to say nothing he's done comes even close to 'enough'. in fact, despite his efforts, he's released more oil into the market from the strategic reserves than every other president combined., and new oil permits have significantly outpaced permits during Trump's admin.
but it's deeply unserious to actually look at Biden's record. As a president. unless that record is... you know... actually a positive record.
I can't have it both ways... that Biden both likes to take credit for Congressional actions, yet, simultaneously, does not actually control Congress. These are, apparently, according to you, mutually exclusive points.
Huh. That's an interesting point of view you have.
Except Biden actually could protect a lot less. Your planetary threat is just a delusion.
Sorry, let me try again:
"I'm a big greedy oil company and I want 10% of your public land." "Ok. Here you go!" Meme: Biden gives oil company everything they want!
That would look bad, so instead we get:
"I'm a big greedy oil company and I want ALL of your public land." "What!? No. You can only have 10%." Meme: Biden saves 90% of public land!
But in this case it's closer to:
"I'm a big greedy oil company and I want ALL of your public land." Trump: "I'll see what we can do." ~4 years later~ Biden: "Hey, can we cancel that?" Meme: Biden set to be greatest conservationist president in history, possibly time itself
You can skew stories dramatically when you focus on one detail.
k- was there another first-term president that you think actually deserves more credit or you just got this triggered because someone said a positive sounding thing about Biden?
Do you think "the amount of conserved land for first-term presidents" is a metric ANY of us thought or cared about before this meme? What's the point of it?
I was definitely triggered on how many qualifiers were needed for a single point of data to be extracted for comparison. *over *Public lands *in 2023
*On track to *more ____ than *modern *first-term
Apparently to trigger people that get triggered when they see a positive sounding statement about Biden. Fun to see how well that works ;)