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[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 122 points 4 months ago (10 children)

I remember when Biden was picked as Obama's VP, and everyone laughed because he's known to make gaffes like this.

Obviously, there's a lot of scrutiny on him, but let's not pretend it's all because he's too old. It's just Biden being Biden, and while he's probably too old for the job, that's what happens when you don't impose upper age limits...

[–] Yawweee877h444@lemmy.world 61 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's not just "biden being biden" by a longshot. He is 81 and significantly worse.

We are rightly worried he's going to lose against trump.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

As if Trump doesn't make those kinds of verbal blunders.

[–] Deceptichum@quokk.au 28 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

His voting base doesn’t care if they’re led by an unfit leader.

Be better than them.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The choices are

  • Be "better" and help Trump win, or
  • Help Trump lose

Seems like an easy choice to me.

[–] FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Even as a vegetable, Biden's administration wouldn't let the country fall into a kleptocracy. And that's enough for me.

[–] hark@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

Letting the country fall into a kleptocracy is exactly what Biden and his democratic party handlers are doing with their insistence of "nothing would fundamentally change" by pushing through the weakest presidential candidates and placing the status quo over actual progress.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 4 months ago (11 children)

It is not nearly so binary. This issue is complex and intertwining - think rocket science where to get more thrust you need more fuel, but adding more fuel adds more weight, so you need even more thrust... that's mere child's play compared to politics.

For one thing, replacing Biden now may help Trump win, but it may also help Trump lose, whereas in contrast NOT replacing Biden now may help Trump lose, or it could help Trump win.

And somehow, we're all back to everything Everything, EVERYthing being all about Trump, all the time.:-( Democracy has had cracks in it forever, especially when mixed with capitalism, and he exposes all of those.

[–] hogmomma@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

replacing Biden now may help Trump win, but it may also help Trump lose, whereas in contrast NOT replacing Biden now may help Trump lose, or it could help Trump win.

Either that quote doesn't really mean anything, or maybe I'm missing the nuance to it.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

No. This is an either/or fallacy the DNC has been pushing for over a year to quell any dissent. Well the chickens have come home to roost. We can apply pressure to change the candidate. That's an option. We do not have to have either Trump or Biden and nothing else.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

People aren't going to vote for Trump over Biden, they are just going to sit out. America doesn't have mandatory voting.

[–] otp@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If those people are fine with Trump being president, then that's on them. Sitting out instead of voting against Trump is helping Trump win.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (23 children)

You can blame them if you want, but the original push is from Biden and the DNC's failures and support for genocide.

The point is, Biden is tanking, so swapping him is better. Defending Biden hurts DNC chances.

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[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 4 months ago

It's impossible to dintinguish when Trump makes mistakes from when he's genuinely lieing or confidently incorrect.

[–] Mrkawfee@lemmy.world 49 points 4 months ago (1 children)

As John Stewart pointed out. Biden's "huh?' scale is spiking.

[–] Muscar@discuss.online 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And its a million times better than the alternative we are risking.

[–] Asifall@lemmy.world 35 points 4 months ago (2 children)

True, but I feel like people have been talking past each other about this.

On the one hand, you have people saying Biden’s cabinet would do a better job than Trump, which is true. On the other hand, you have people saying Biden is going to lose to trump unless he somehow makes a dramatic turnaround in the next couple months, which is also true according to all available data.

The real question isn’t whether Biden is better than trump, it’s whether Biden would serve the country better by stepping down.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (68 children)

Exactly. Biden is a lost cause electorally, regardless of how good or bad he is, because he has tanked his approval with his own voterbase. Nobody is going to see Biden and then vote for Trump, they would just sit out or vote third party. Biden is just handing the win to Trump.

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[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Except that's not the real question, bc he's already said that God Himself could not cause Biden to step down (I'm being literal here). He's doubling, tripling, and whatever more down, digging his heels in and refusing to even consider that option, regardless of who asks.

At this point he is either removed by force - which won't happen - or it's already over.

And either way, the SCOTUS ruling holds firm.

I wish him luck, but I don't expect good things to come. Even if he wins, heck even if he like rigged the election at this point and gave himself a large majority of numbers in the process, the other side won't believe it and there's a goodly chance of an actual civil war, or something along those lines (bad riots or such). Or maybe I'm full of shit, but it bothers me so much that everything that I say sounds "fatalistic" to my own inner ear - except that word means closing your eyes to the truth and choosing to believe only the worst, whereas this is my attempt to be realistic with eyes wide open!? I am saying that it does not bode well that this seems a realistic possibility rather than hyperbolic exaggeration of words for like comedic effect:-(.

Once again, there's like ~11% of the country who is die-hard Trump red maga, another ~11% Biden blue maga, and the LARGE majority of us in the middle don't matter in the slightest as we get caught between these two extremes (Russian oligarchy encroachment vs. American oligarchy establishment, tbf the latter cares far more about the common folk, but is really bad at showing that).

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 4 months ago

as Jon Stewart also pointed out, but that's not the issue here. the issue is expected performance. people ~~expect~~ want one of them to be a crazy loon. the other not so much. so when he acts like he's not all there people are concerned whether he can perform well enough at the election to defeat the fascist. the polls aren't optimistic.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Um... let me be clear. My former VP pick has always sucked. He's not old. He's simply got a head full of busted marbles and wasn't employable anywhere outside of the US Senate. That's why I endorsed him to run in 2020. You people disgust me. You deserve what you get."

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

So I should be able to look at 2020 debate footage and compare it to 2024 debate footage without a problem right?

Right?!?

This isn't just gaffes. The man is getting to an age where this stuff get harder every year. There's a reason the military has a mandatory retirement age of 62, even if you have a desk job.

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