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[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 140 points 2 months ago (3 children)

You may make fun of it, but the reality of it is even funnier: Ukrainian army is probably occupying gas and oil distribution hub for Hungary, Slovakia and partially for Turkey.

So now Putler has few bad options:

  • Try to liberate it which would probably mean destroying it (using usual Russian tactics).
  • Do nothing and look bad in Russia.
  • Make some concessions to UA and look bad in Russia.

This will be fun.

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 59 points 2 months ago (3 children)
[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 2 months ago (1 children)

note: ukrainians can just mine all that equipment at their convenience, they hold ground there. in case of any risk of russian approach they can just blow it up to smithereens, because contract for transit through this pipeline ends this december, neither side wants to extend it, and the only side effect is hungary going without gas supply - and it's closed already anyway

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they do that, they get on the bad side of all the countries that depend on that gas.

But, if it's destroyed by Russian artillery as the Russians try to re-take the territory, the blame falls on the Russians.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 2 months ago

that'd be mostly slovakia and austria

[–] CptEnder@lemmy.world 15 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There's no way they actually occupy it long-term. They only deployed a couple battalions worth of troops. But it does send a strong message.

[–] bradorsomething@ttrpg.network 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly as second fronts go… if the opportunity presented, the clear plan would be to take the rail hub at Kursk and block in the city while rolling SE. It would create a long logistics problem for the invasion, and cause invasion troops to need to reroute NW or face attack on an open flank.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

They could also destroy as much oil & rail infrastructure as they can while they're there. Plus, this might divert Russian attention in the South like in 2022. In that case, Ukraine could do another push for Zaporizhia or Mariupol and cut off Russian supplies to Crimea and Kherson

[–] plactagonic@sopuli.xyz 16 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And serves as plausible reason that it gets "accidentally" destroyed in a retreat.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 15 points 2 months ago

They would definitely have good reasons to hide endless mines that could destroy it from a distance

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

Makes Russia defend their whole border instead of just inside Ukraine.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 10 points 2 months ago

That was super helpful

[–] exanime@lemmy.world 23 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Poor Putin... Looks like a door has closed for him, let's hope god opens a window...

Wink wink

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ukrainian army is probably occupying gas and oil distribution hub for Hungary, Slovakia and partially for Turkey.

Is that selective, or are all the shitbirds coincidentally on the same pipeline?

[–] HK65@sopuli.xyz 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Pretty much everyone is on the same pipeline, it's just that most have weaned themselves off of it. So this would also hurt Germany if Germany was still as dependent on Russian gas as Hungary.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 2 months ago

Even better, it's their fault.

[–] cybermass@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 months ago

Considering the cost of building a pipeline, I'd say the goal was mainly to get it connected to as many top importers as possible

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 101 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's time for a proper Referendum everyone. Surely the Russians can't object to that?

[–] Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 51 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Not so fast! Have to drive out the native population first. We're doing it the Russian way here, aren't we?

[–] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 42 points 2 months ago

Just tell them they can have toilets under Ukrainian rule.

[–] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 months ago

Why bother? Tell the locals they can blame anything they say on the Ukrainian presence, and you're gonna hear some opinions about Russia.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Oh wow! I had to look up in DuckDuckGo about Kursk; and Ukraine has indeed invaded the Russian territory proper! I thought the initial incursions were done by Ukrainian-backed anti-Kremlin Russians again, but it's actually the Ukrainians! This actually answers the question that had been hovering in my head for the past couple of days of whether or not Ukraine could mount yet another offensive.

[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 2 months ago (2 children)

it's going on for over two days now, ukrainians have taken over 300 POWs, took down a heli, fighter jet and are halfway to kursk nuclear powerplant

[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

They’ve captured some armored vehicles too by the looks of it

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

The Ukrainian city of Sumy is nearby as well; and Ukrainian intelligence say that they detected build up of Russian forces across the border opposite the city. It looks like not only the attack on Kursk serves to disrupt the pipeline that deliver gas to Europe, but also spoils the possible preparation of Russian forces that might attack Sumy.

[–] mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

liveuamap.com also keeps a relatively updated map of holds what disputed territory

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Here's an interesting take I saw on it:

https://infosec.exchange/@littlealex/112925288375029203

"The way the Russian army fight is simple: Destroy everything in front with artillery and bombs, then send in infantry and tanks to handle the remaining resistance."

But, if they do that, they'll probably end up destroying their own gas pipeline junction. And, because of sanctions, they might not even be able to repair that junction if it is destroyed. So, they either have to shoot themselves in the foot by using their normal tactics and destroy the junction with artillery, or they send their soldiers into the meat grinder without artillery cover, or they let Ukraine keep control of the junction proving Putin is weak.

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

"...proving putin is weak the weakness of putin weak weak the putinweak yadda yadda yadda... weak..."

Aren't we all sick of this russian obsession with these metrics of constant paranoia, greed and inferiority complexes. A medieval overflowing waterless toilet, spreading infection all over the world, anything it touches.

Not content with living in a pit of warped misery of their own making, they must drag whoever they can down with them.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 2 months ago

Goddamn. Glad to see the Ukrainians aren't out of new ideas.

Let's make a fake referendum like the one on Crimea...

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

What I love is I found out about this because Russia wanted everyone to know that the Ukrainians definitely were not advancing into Russia.

At which point I find the town and went to Google maps and the road closure at the front line is marked on Google maps!

For the curious the Ukrainians are about 12 km into Russia and 70 km from the outskirts of Kursk.

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 7 points 2 months ago

I agree. Its the only way.

i think give the crimean Tatars autonomy at least