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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 85 points 3 months ago (1 children)

He's putting the right ambitions as a priority, and at his current age, I don't blame him.

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 79 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Jon Stewart showed video of this beach scene after showing Trump's claims that Biden is going to come back and take over. "He's not coming back, Donald! Get over it!"

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Donald could have done this same thing if he'd stayed the fuck out of politics. Biggest self-own ever.

[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

https://www.tvguide.com/news/donald-trump-presidential-campaign-timeline/

Also, I love that the first answer I got to the question 'How many times has Trump run for President?" came from TV Guide,

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[–] empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 3 months ago

Yup, exactly how I know of it...

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 71 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I’m a bigger fan of him now than I ever was before. Selfishness is easy. Giving up a shot at power is hard. I don’t agree with all his choices, but I respect him for this one.

[–] OpenPassageways@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I don't know that Biden even really wanted the job when he ran in 2020. The impression that I got was that he was done seeking the presidency after 2016, it seemed like maybe the party convinced him he was the best chance to beat Trump.

I could be wrong, but it's hard for me to believe he wanted to do anything besides retire and enjoy his remaining time with his remaining family.

Once it became clear that he was NOT the best option to beat Trump, he dropped out. It might be as simple as that.

Still major kudos for dropping out either way.

[–] Redex68@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I honestly think the same. Dudes old as shit, has money and a family. He doesn't need the stress and obligations that come with the presidency. Maybe he gets a kick out of being in power, but from everything I saw about him I'd wager he would much rather just retire and live the easy life.

[–] A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

I’m a bigger fan of him now

I'm a very big fan.

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[–] Xanis@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Tbh I often felt as if the guy was still going because he felt he had to. This somewhat reflects his indecision and even final statements before stepping down. I sincerely believe he felt he was doing the right thing. People who believe they are doing the right thing are often stubborn in their belief and I'm glad he found the strength to step aside. That can't have been easy.

[–] nucleative@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I agree with your assessment. Politicians also live a life where somewhere around half of all people think they are making the wrong decision at all times, so unless they have conviction they flop around way too much to succeed.

Also, for all people who are getting old, it's their first time, and they have no idea what they might seem like to anybody else. It's like you have been getting back up after being knocked down your whole life and suddenly you can't get back up again.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

Attaboy Joe

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Love how we went from "if you're calling Biden to drop out you're a russian agent" to "he's so great for dropping out since it's the obviously correct choice, what a great sacrifice he did for his country".

[–] KazuyaDarklight@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (18 children)

You were a Russian agent for implying that you wouldn't still vote Dem in the event that he didn't quit. Also the enthusiasm over Kamala, and now Walz as well, is great but absolutely unprecedented. While people certainly believed we could and would figure things out if Biden stepped down promptly, I don't think anyone honestly believed things would come together anywhere near "this" well. Which makes it all feel extra satisfying in the aftermath.

[–] fubbernuckin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 months ago

Nah, i had people call me a Russian bot for saying it'd be a good thing if Biden dropped out. There's just a lot of stupid people about.

Though while i was expecting a Biden dropout to be successful, i certainly was not expecting it to be this successful.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I love how people went from "if you vote for a Democrat you love genocide" to "damn with Biden gone, what other ways can we shit on anything resembling a Democrat?"

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[–] callouscomic@lemm.ee 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Only after it got too far into his own party having to show to him that he had no real support path to victory.

Don't praise people too much when they EVENTUALLY do the right thing. It's good he finally did, but this is the guy who ran in 2020 suggesting he'd be a one-term president in the first place.

The power got to him like it does everyone.

Good for you, you eventually did the right thing. Would have been better if you had done so a hell of a lot sooner.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

I'm not so sure bowing out earlier would have been better. Dragging it out as long as he did let Trump lean more heavily into the age issue than he otherwise would have, which is now coming back to bite him.

Of course, I don't think that was a tactical decision, I think you're right on the money when it comes to Biden's motivations, but I do think the last minute about-face may have actually helped the Democrats here

[–] Frog@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 months ago

I don't think he wanted another term. I really think he felt like he was the only one that could beat Trump.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'll say only that temptation is ever present. He took action and passed the torch. I don't want to take any credit away from the people that convinced him that was the correct course of action, but it ultimately came down to him actually doing it, something I can't say I believe anyone on the right (and a hell of a lot of people on the left) would have done.

[–] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm in 100% agreement, to the point where I was preparing for a Toupee victory until Biden stepped aside. But with how hilariously Vance is shitting himself in the foot (typo intentional), I have to at least briefly wonder if Biden waited to step aside until after the Toupee Party picked their VP. It's blindingly obvious that the Republicans were only planning on campaigning against Biden. If he had stepped aside before Vance was picked, the Toupee might have picked a less unlikable VP candidate.

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)
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[–] But_Class_War@midwest.social 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I guess it wasn't coerced but "voluntarily" is quite the stretch, call this shi reed richards

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[–] milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Sounds like gaslighting to me. He was very reluctant.

[–] radiohead37@lemmynsfw.com 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Everybody in his shoes would be at least reluctant. Specially in Biden’s case who is known to overthink big decisions. What matters is that he made the right decision in the end.

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[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Perfect and good? Sworn enemies I always say

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[–] TootSweet@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

With how much everybody's expressing their love for Biden, I'm half expecting him to reenter the race and be praised for it.

(Joke. Just a joke.)

[–] bl_r@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 3 months ago (6 children)

While I don’t think I’ll ever like or fully respect Biden, I seriously respect the fact he stepped down. While I get that he was being pressured to do so, he is still the leader of the Democratic party and could have just said “fuck you”

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[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Hopefully Harris will win over the American people. A second Trump term is probably the biggest threat to world peace that we could have.

[–] inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

So PBS Frontline has this new documentary that I watched a few weeks ago, "Biden's Decision". As a leftist that voted against Trump, not FOR Biden, I figured I would learn more about his history.

But it was honestly shocking to me that the entire crux of the piece was "Get back up" and "Determination" for all the times Biden ran for president, he himself never really gave a good reason why. Biden decided he wanted to be president, and therefore he spent his whole life running for president, not because he felt he was the most qualified or best for the country. But because he wanted it. Biden wanted to be the one in charge, but historically, he never had many who actually wanted him? Dude only got to the White House when Obama balanced his ticket and then again when his best qualification was "Literally Not Trump".

So while I am glad he dropped out, and somewhat happy for Biden for achieving a life goal, I guess? Still don't see a compelling reason to be enthusiastic for the man, yet it was eye opening that no one has ever been enthusiastic for him. Biden stepping down was the right thing to do, just not the thing he wanted to do. Not really sure that is deserving of praise?

Humility isn't exactly a noble virtue, it's a standard. Not this lifetime running for the sake of running. Glad he is finally out, but that's hardly going above and beyond, it's less than the bare minimum.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Gen-X here, and likely to be downvoted to hell in this thread, but I remember Biden from the 90's. He was...not a good guy. He had what you might call MAGA energy back then. Constantly fear mongering about crime. Yes, both he and Clinton recently admitted that the "tough on crime" thing was a mistake, but that doesn't really help the situation we find ourselves in now where a significant portion of the population is incarcerated and facing near impossible odds if they ever get out. Their families and society as a whole have paid the price for a few men's political ambitions.

So, yeah, old man Joe ended up being a fairly decent president (after getting old as fuck, having one son die and the other become a total.loser piece of shit), but he was never "good guy Joe".

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

... I remember Biden from the 90’s. He was…not a good guy. He had what you might call MAGA energy back then. ...

that's the biden i know and i wish i could see him like op does; but it's clear biden hasn't changed his his ways when you take into account all of the lip service he's paid for things like green energy and progressive justice while simultaneously permitting drilling to the highest levels ever in recorded history; using the inflation act to create tariffs to block truly affordable green energy products; and giving nearly unfettered access to weaponry to bomb a defenseless group of people into non-existence.

he's done this so many times before like when he said that gays deserve compassion and then supported dont ask dont tell and voted for doma; also when he suggested that young people need help and then created the student loan act of 2005 that is currently fucking a lot of us over and for life; plus many MANY more examples.

i get that it's election season and we want to be nice; but this guy doesn't deserve it for doing the bare minimum.

[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

He was against integration. He was a key player in giving us Thomas. He didn't pull out and allow the democrats to have an actual primary. And so on. I'm glad he dropped out. I think his administration did an OK job, albeit completely failing in dealing with the fascism threat (no, I don't know what they could have done. That's not my job.).

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[–] ShareMySims@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

He had what you might call MAGA energy back then. Constantly fear mongering about crime.

Here, I'll take some of your downvotes - if being "tough on crime" gives you MAGA energy (and I agree, it does), then what energy does that mean ex-prosecutor, "top cop" Harris has?

The answer is, it doesn't matter, she is a liberal icon - a Black girl boss (so that's racism and sexism solved! /s)(E: representation is really important, but if she doesn't represent the interests of those like her, is it really a good representation?), a democrat (making her the antifasciest of antifascists, don't you know), and maintainer of the status quo (all libs really care about, they find comfort in the system and want it to continue as it is).

Sure, She's-Not-Trump™, but that doesn't make her (or anyone the right leaning democratic party would put up) actually good for you, it just means that those in charge get one of their own in, whoever wins.

And that is the point of the two party system. Shame people are so desperate for a feeling of belonging and community (a feature, not a bug) that they substitute that with uncritical support of team red or team blue, when in reality they should be for "team citizen", which neither party is.

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