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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/quietcreep on 2024-08-28 06:52:11+00:00.


I wrote an article back in February just to get some thoughts down about the history of the US, Christian fundamentalism, and the issue of the alleged reverse engineering of UAP. I didn't promote it, and didn't really expect it to get any attention. It didn't, and I was planning on leaving it at that.

In Elizondo's new book, however, he mentions the Collins Elite. I had never heard of them until reading this book, but he touches on some of the same issues I'd been researching and thinking about for a while.

I've pulled some bits out of the article to start the conversation, but you can find the rest here.

Hopefully this gives you an idea of how the culture of fundamentalism might permeate US politics as well as the issue of UAP.

TL;DR: the fundamentalist viewpoint has rooted deeply into US governance, and it continues to affect even our attitudes towards ourselves. The issues of energy and political power may be at the center of this mystery and in the hands of fundamentalist Christians, who believe humans are evil by nature and inherently deficient. Their disdain for and lack of faith in humanity is the poison in the well.


If we are afraid of ourselves, we will beg someone to control us.


The roots of American Christian fundamentalism

In Puritan philosophy, the wilderness symbolized all that was evil, including the inner wilderness of humanity. Strict, prescriptive values created a fundamentalist social front that united its members in their judgment. The “live and let live” philosophy that governed [the nearby town of] Merrymount stood in stark contrast to its neighbors.

Contrary to popular belief, the Puritans did not come to America seeking religious freedom for everyone; they came seeking a political environment they could superimpose their own values on, and Merrymount was an impediment for their agenda.

Long story short, the elders of Plymouth hired an assassin to murder the mayor of Merrymount, citing its debauchery and wildness as justification for an act that could, by their own standards, be called a mortal sin.

If you have been influenced by fundamentalist ideas, you might believe that humans are inherently deficient and prone to evil. You might also believe that harsh punishment is the best way to deal with those that have broken the law.

Many of us have been implicitly conditioned to see humanity as lacking in moral strength, and it often allows us to justify cruelty.


The fundamentalist solution to the societal problem of accountability

In Ara Norenzayan’s book, Big Gods: How Religion Transformed Cooperation and Conflict, he suggests an idea: “watched people are nice people”.

As civilizations grew and anonymity replaced accountability as the social standard, previously small, regional gods were transformed into omniscient, punitive gods who had a fierce obsession with justice. It was through this mechanism that society could continue to function, replacing social accountability with eternal cosmic consequences.

It’s a clever solution, but one that requires strict enforcement of the majority worship of a single god.

Both fundamentalism and fascism require unity. Unity of language, unity of belief, unity of action. Anyone who does not comply is branded an enemy.


The influence of fundamentalism in the politics of power

[Gary Nolan] discusses the sighting of an anomalous craft performing maneuvers that seem to defy our understanding of physics; he goes on to speculate about amount of power that would be necessary for those maneuvers.

He suggests that a single acceleration/deceleration would require more energy than the entire nuclear output of the entire planet for a year; and this craft was performing these maneuvers every few seconds.

The generation of energy, especially at such unimaginable levels, is a double-edged sword. Like nuclear energy, anything that creates tremendous amounts of energy may either be used as a source of security or as a weapon of mass destruction...

If technology for the generation of unthinkable amounts of energy were to fall into selfish hands, the world would either be conquered or destroyed. Given this situation, it would make sense that those with access to powerful technologies may want to delay its arrival to the public until the major influences of the world demonstrates more egalitarian tendencies.

That is a valid reason to be afraid, or at the very least extremely cautious.

We have plenty of examples of organizations, companies, governments that operate almost solely for the purpose of concentrating power and influence in the hands of the few, many of which justify their actions with the argument that humanity needs to be controlled and that they are the ones chosen to do it.

Elitist delusions often arise from the misinterpretation of personal narrative. Many people in positions of influence believe that their nature and their effort got them to where they are today, without accounting for luck or any pre-existing advantages they may have had.

Once those people are in positions of power, they are the ones to determine what has merit, which means the values built into the system become stale while our social values continue progressing. That leaves us with people in influential positions that believe the large populations of the country are errant and must be coerced back to their own "traditional" values.

That also means that there will be gatekeepers for everything deemed too dangerous for the "dumb and selfish masses" to know about.


How this affects us in our daily lives

An authoritarian regime with this goal would continue to convince its subjects that they are fundamentally deficient and must be tamed for the good of the nation. They would also convince us that the citizens of competing nations are evil, out of control, and monstrous.

...If that culture is brutal, fear-based, and fueled by profit and punishment, individuals within that society will behave like caged animals. If profit and fear are the sole motive, we will compulsively abuse each other to achieve security and safety.

The ironic thing about Christian fundamentalism is that it always ends up crushing the spirit of even those who believe it's right.

Politicians engage in massive hypocrisies (e.g. grindr at the RNC), which provides evidence to them that humans need to be controlled; they punish themselves (as well as us) while their self-hatred slowly hollows them out from the inside.

Their sharp and unforgiving judgement of others turns facing their own mistakes into a trauma that they'll spend their lives avoiding (until a probable meltdown).

There are people like this in positions of power that are making decisions for us, about what we can know, about what values/ideas are valid, about how the world works.

Their rhetoric will keep us perpetually in the dark.


Anyways, thanks for reading!

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