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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 89 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Whenever you meet somebody who tells you that they're against unions, join in with them. But focus on police unions only, go hard on their monopolization of violence. Be all in on Unions going away, because it would mean police would no longer have qualified immunity.

Watch their faces.

[–] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 month ago

Unions aren't the ones that are making qualified immunity a thing. It certainly helps their recruiting.

It's the courts and, to a greater extent, the cities that hire them, that have allowed it to go on.

[–] TransplantedSconie@lemm.ee 83 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Today I learned that 23% of the country have an IQ of that: 23

This totally brings to mind the anti labor and Union poster I saw for an airline where they said with your union dues within a couple of months you'll be able to buy that PS5.

I'm like: motherfucker, I can buy that PS5 immediately and have money left over IN ONE PAYCHECK because I'm in a union.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 month ago

I wonder why the figure is about union disapproval, seems strange to me.

"Thank you for participating in the survey! In your opinion, do you disapprove of unions that tend to do nothing but steal wages from hard-working American families' pockets?"

[–] Jardthebard@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I work for a unionized airline and a lot of people bitch and moan that we have to pay dues roughly equal to 2% of our income. I always remind people that our non-unionized competitor pays their employees a flat 10% less than we get paid. So we make more, get union protection, and a ton of other benefits by being unionized. I have no problem paying union dues.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

I get anti-union propaganda in the mail. I've only gotten things a couple times, but I've always made sure to give them a call and let them know why I never want them to send anything to me ever again.

So gross.

My employer is negotiating with one of the unions right now, and they keep sending everyone email updates on the negotiations that very clearly are trying to get those of us that aren’t in a bargaining unit to feel annoyed at the union for asking for more in raises than the rest of us got. It’s having the opposite effect - it’s making us feel like upper management aren’t negotiating in good faith, and making me wish my position was eligible to be in the union

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

23 and me saw an opening in the market

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 41 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Being anti-union is the best asshole test.

[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

With very few exceptions. The police union in Chicago is a goddamn monster that needs to be broken up.

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wish articles wouldn't use double negatives like this.

Is "approval" at a 57 year low, or is "disapproval" low? Meaning, if disapproval is low, does that mean more people approve now?

I did read the article, by the way. I just feel like the wording could be better. I'm glad to see approval is so high. I wish access to unions was better.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 19 points 1 month ago

I think approval and disapproval ratings are two different things that do not necessarily correlate.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 1 month ago

Neutral and ambivalent opinions also exist.

Saying "disapproval rate at all time low" paints a more complete picture than "approval or neutral opinion at all time high."

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

does that mean more people approve now?

No. If you read the article, you'll find that approval is slightly lower than in 2022.

Likewise, when polls report "Trump disapproval at all time high" it does not necessarily mean "Trump approval at all time low".

[–] Orbituary@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I literally said I read the article. It's in my post. Maybe if you read my post instead of the first sentence, you'd realize what I dislike is the use of double-negatives generally.

[–] FlowVoid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

You read the article but asked a question that is answered in the third paragraph.

70% of Americans said they approved of unions, per Gallup's most recent poll, conducted in August. That's just one point shy of the record hit in 2022

And "disapproval hits 57-year low" is not a double negative, for the same reason "homelessness hits 57-year low" is not a double negative.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 14 points 1 month ago

Good! The reagan era brainwashed us to think unions are bad for employees and society. Unions are good for employees and society. They're only bad for greedy fatcats capturing untold wealth.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

So Labor Union support hits 57 year high? Just say that.

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