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I just wanted to say that I feel very strongly that, should it be implement, the community be called WorkReform, not AntiWork.
In the spirit of Beehaw, I think AntiWork goes against the ethos of "Bee Kind" as it sets the entire community up to be adversarial to anyone who enjoys work/finds work meaningful. Work reform is a much more inclusive goal.
I had a hard time with that one since I would not join an anti work community, but I was fairly active on /r/WorkReform.
I won't fight too hard against this, but I'd like to weigh in that I feel I'd fit more into a antiwork community than work reform. I legitimately believe we should abolish work (as opposed to labor), and work reform dilutes the cause.
But I understand the concerns with the baggage the term has and would sub to work reform if it was the one created - I can still sub to socialism and other leftist communities.
Definitely agreed. "antiwork" carries too much baggage.
The miscommunication there is in the definition of 'work'.
They don't want to abolish employment, labour, or community contribution. They want to abolish work - the idea of a labour system that is tantamount to indentured servitude, labour as an obligation, labour for labour's sake, labour at the expense of one's wellbeing and QoL.
Labour you enjoy or find meaningful isn't 'work' under that interpretation, and arguing for reforming 'work' like that is a soft-serve that ultimately ensures those kinds of labour continue to exist.
I agree the name itself is provocative, because the meaning of the word 'work' has come to refer to all labour as a whole. (Mostly because almost all labour these days is work, now.)
But their intent is not to abolish productivity, or that those who are productive and enjoy their labour are somehow wrong. It's about pushing for everybody to be able to choose labour that is meaningful to them, so they can have that too.
So while a given individual within the movement may have joined because they interpreted it that way, they are minorities, and not the movement's intended goal upon its founding.
I support language that is less likely to be misinterpreted by extremists, but that may not be feasible, and the movement itself is not against Beehaw's values of community health. The majority of those in the movement are heavily interested in the wellbeing of our labouring communities.
Maybe something like c/HealthyLabour, c/LabourRights, or c/LabourEthics?
I strongly agree.
Can I make a wee suggestion?
It'll be nice if you guys can use something other than "Google Forms" for future surveys. Something a bit more privacy respecting than "Google Forms" will be a better choice for platform like Beehaw. A few suggestions,
EUSurvey
Nextcloud Forms
LiberaForms
OhMyForm
Form Tools
This is just a personal opinion expressed with a view to improve Beehaw experience. No offense intended.
I was also a little turned around when I saw a Google form show up.
I think the long-term answer here is for a native poll feature right in the platform. There's a feature request for this on the Lemmy github project.
Until then, though, everything's just a temporary placeholder solution.
we will investigate these but no promises we'll switch (beyond whether they have the features we need--which i'm not so worried about--ease of access is also a consideration we need to make with surveys. our audience is also not exclusively tech people and we are, bluntly, not nearly as absolutist with the need for privacy as many of the people on lemmy.)
oh, cost/resources are another consideration. our finances aren't exactly in a place where we can eat huge costs of any kind, so out of hand we're going to be a lot less willing to consider stuff with a big price tag (especially when we can't yet gauge how many surveys we'll be doing and on what schedule)
Again, I can't argue against this point. Money is a necessary evil to consider for sure 💰
Ease of access is for sure an important thing.
I couldn't find Puerto Rico on the list, please consider adding it; I understand we are US territory but many of us consider ourselves our own country.
I am not a fan either people, but remember to propose a solution when you complain.
It must be free and as easy as Google Forms...
There are dozens more.
Again, I feel you, but if your reluctance is based on digital privacy, the rabbit hole will drive you mad.
Personally speaking, I'm not opposed to paying money but LimeSurvey literally doesn't have a tier that would allow us to have everyone on the instance answer and it's ludicrously expensive. The closest they have is 10000 per year
The only realistic option for us would be to selfhost form software and personally, I don't feel like putting more weight on our sysadmins at the moment..
I don't want anything to do with google, and I do not knowingly post personal data on their servers.
Same, especially with questions about gender and sexuality. I'd have preferred a selfhosted LimeSurvey, Baserow.io or similar.
Just want to give a quick shout out that the questions are exceptionally well worded for encouraging valuable feedback. It's super easy to ask “What communities are you interested in”, but “What communities would you contribute to” is a different, and more valuable question. This is one of the most well-thought-out surveys I've filled out for an online community in a while. Is one of the admins possibly a sociologist, demographer, or otherwise someone who writes surveys for a living? Or did you just write a really good-ass survey based on your experiences taking not so good surveys?
I can't personally say I'm any of those but I am in college so I'll eventually learn about how to make good surveys. I think something we took advantage of is peer review. A lot of the questions were refined by comments made by our community moderators!
This is one of the most well-thought-out surveys I’ve filled out for an online community in a while. Is one of the admins possibly a sociologist, demographer, or otherwise someone who writes surveys for a living? Or did you just write a really good-ass survey based on your experiences taking not so good surveys?
mixture of experience with surveys, lots of peer review, and lots of revising over the past week or so. we were literally revising questions up to the moment this was posted with the community mods to make sure our wording was clear and still communicated what we wanted it to
Would you guys consider creating any sort of houseplants community? Plantclinic community, and/or succulents community? If I’m being entirely honest those are the ones I miss the most, and the ones on other communities still aren’t very active/don’t exist (in the case of succulents, as far as I can tell!). /c/greenspace helps to fill the void a bit but doesn’t quite do it
Minor complaint - my country / region (Taiwan) is not listed in the "countries" dropdown list, and Kosovo is also missing. Consider asking for "country or region" instead of "country" and include states with limited recognition when asking nationality.
Added! They are sovereign states - they are countries.
That's real quick! Thanks for including my country :)
Pfft, 30mins is not that quick, no problem!
A bit of a meta comment/thought. Looking through the list of proposed communities, I see a few that were a “Reddit thing”, communities that would be like AskReddit, Ask Me Anything, and Today I Learned. In some sense, I wish for Beehaw to have its own identity. That it figure out its own way to do things. That might just be a differentiating choice of name for the same thing, but one that helps convey our values through the names’ connotations. Or it could be that we come up with our own ideas for communities that can cover a wide variety of topics.
In the text about our creed, Be(e) nice, I see a desire to be(e?) different. That Beehaw isn’t Reddit. I feel that should help guide the communities we create.
Done. As a side thought, I wonder if it would have been interesting to include both a “would contribute to” and a “would be interested in reading” (or similar concept). Undoubtedly there are countless lurkers here as there are on any social media site. It could be interesting to see what people are interested in lurking vs contributing to.
As a personal example, I don’t think I could contribute well to worldwide news, but I think it’s important to consume it to keep up to date (and I assume Beehaw would have more interesting stories than traditional news media’s “front page”).
Although, as a counter to my own suggestion, I suppose there’s no point in having a community that people are interested in reading but no one is interested in contributing to.
Although, as a counter to my own suggestion, I suppose there’s no point in having a community that people are interested in reading but no one is interested in contributing to.
this is basically the reason we settled on for the phrasing. we're not worried about whether a community will have eyes--we're already at a point where that's a given with the about 11,000 users we have before lurkers--but eyes aren't necessarily contributions and who wants a bunch of dead sections mucking up a place?
Hooray Tabletop! I mentioned it in my sign-up, but I am really looking forward to having a dedicated space to talk about TTRPGs, mini-wargaming, and the like. Hopefully it gets added to the list.
Obviously it wasn't on the survey but I figure I should at least mention what I'd like to see directly, I would really love to have some kind of automotive community here. I'd be happy to pitch in and help develop it, but I do not think I could be a full time moderator.
Having a friendly supportive place to talk about cars, driving (high performance or otherwise), projects, and grassroots motorsports would be awesome.
This is probably a much later addition I don't know how much interest there is here. Just putting it in the suggestion box.
Keep your eyes open in the future...this is almost certainly not going to be the last round of community creation. The admins are being very deliberate about the process though.
Done my civic duty 🗳.
The only question that tripped me up for some reason was whether I consider myself to be white or non-white. I'm Filipino American, and personally I have a kinda nebulous identity toward race. I suppose I could "pass" as white, but I find myself unsure of identifying absolutely as White or Non-White. I'm not educated in best practices here, but I think a "Mixed" answer could fill the gap well without getting overly specific.
Seeing the communities list is really exciting! Maybe one day we'll have the activity to warrant all of them 😄. I have a boatload of photographs I've taken over the years but never really got around to posting anywhere. I'll likely find my ways to sneak them in relevant communities if c/photography doesn't come around, but if I had to pick One and Only One, that would be mine.
I think it may be good idea to also add a separate general medicine-focused community.
Health communities on social media tend to gravitate towards wellness and less-than-evidence-based practices - which is fine on its own, but may not be what some would expect by the name alone.
I would love to be able to fill this out, but unfortunately it is a Google Form
Great idea to have such a survey. I couldn't find any questions regarding sex apart from the one about gender identity. That is, I'm trans but this doesn't show because I just selected 'female'. Likewise people that are intersex would not necessarily appear here. Or maybe I made a mistake somehow? If I was meant to fill out the field with the blank below, I probably wouldn't feel comfortable doing that because this would again make a distinction between 'the normal female' and an other, i.e. 'trans women'. I'm female/a woman. But I'm also trans. Both aren't necessarily connected.
A better solution would be imo to have an extra field asking if you identify as cis/trans/other. I get that this is kind of a tricky terrain though, just wanted to let you know/discuss it.
Yes, the gold standards on how to ask these questions are addressed in this fantastic paper created by the pride study. A quick summary of best practice is as follows:
Option to not disclose/answer for all above
A better solution would be imo to have an extra field asking if you identify as cis/trans/other. I get that this is kind of a tricky terrain though, just wanted to let you know/discuss it.
next time we'll probably do this yeah
Retro is an interesting one. A lot of my Reddit subscriptions were related to Vintage collection communities.
Super glad you are going to share the aggregated results :)
Thank you for this, I love that you're working to make this a better place and being all inclusive in the process. Y'all are awesome!
I'd use both askBeehaw and AMA if they were moved into subcommunities, but I don't think they need to be. They're basically just 'topic is you' or 'topic is me', which is what Chat is for. If anything, Chat is more-or-less askBeehaw right now, and we don't have enough notable users to sustain an AMA.
So I ticked that I'd use them, but I don't think they're necessary - at least not until beehaw is far, far bigger. I even suspect Chat would be almost empty if an askBeehaw was created right now.
And a community for the Labradors among us that want to show off our favourite toys is a great idea; but not as specific as TIL. Especially since 'TIL' can often overlap with 'TIFU' (eg: "Today I learned that you can't put standard dishsoap in a dishwasher.")
Something that encompasses 'TIL', but also 'mildlyinteresting', 'YSK', 'lifehacks' etc sounds neat. More of a 'fun fact' area where people show off pictures of cool bugs they found, or ideas they want to share. I just don't know what you'd call it. (And the TIFU-type posts will still suit Chat.)
That’s a great list of potential communities.
I typically avoid demographic questions for a lot of reasons, but I wanted to participate for beehaw's sake since I understand their intentions. Damn though. Some of those boxes are just filled with all sorts of loaded emotional yuck.
I don't mean it as a criticism. Again, I get why and the value, but phew... 😬