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[–] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Xitter is a haven for Nazis because Musk deliberately made it that way. That makes Musk a Nazi in my book.

[–] LordWiggle@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

So, let me explain how nazies work. The nazies don't want to be seen as nazies, so they claim their opponents are nazies. Putin does this, Israel, Trump, Musk, right wing politicians all over Europe, etc. They are all fascists or national socialists yet they claim they are fighting nazies or are a victim of nazies.

It's like a plumber who keeps screaming an electrician is a plumber, and to prove his point he's going to break into the electrician's house to fix his plumbing while murdering his family.

[–] HornedMeatBeast@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago
[–] sanctimoniousn0rth@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

From the article:

“Elon Musk’s had more positions on free speech than the Kama Sutra,” Shorten said in an interview with Australian radio.

Hahahah

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That is to say 0, as, to my knowledge the Kama Sutra says exactly nothing on free speech.

[–] Kidding_me@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think that the joke flew right over your head

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I misunderstood, I thought Shorten was making a argument for musk.

[–] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I'd love for this clown to explain how fines for spreading disinformation = fascism.

[–] crashfrog@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Because the fascists are the ones who will tell you which truths are “disinformation.”

[–] atzanteol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Depends on what the misinformation is.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 points 2 months ago

Depends on how they define and decide what "misinformation" is.

[–] match@pawb.social 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

they passed a law banning TikTok, why is X any better?

[–] ThoranTW@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

This is about Australia, TikTok is not banned here.

[–] match@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

waoh, free speech....

[–] manucode@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago
[–] nifty@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

All media companies need to be held responsible for not doing due diligence against the spread of disinformation. Disinformation is currently the main tool enemies of different nations are using against each other

Edit to make the statement more general

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

While I agree there's a responsibility for combating misinfo, you can't rely on nation states to decide what is misinfo. Authoritarians do and will abuse this to silence criticism of their regimes.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What you see and don't see on social media is already decided by nation states. It's just countries like Russia, China, and Iran do it covertly.

They can push the things they want to the top of the algorithms with a relatively small (for a nation state) amount of resources. Sure they usually don't outright ban content (but that can happen too by spamming abuse reports) but they can effectively shadow ban people by simply promoting everything except for the things they don't like and use bot spam to do the social media equivalent of signal jamming.

And of course (as we've seen with Musk) the leadership of social media companies can be influenced (by a combo of same the misinformation they use on everyone else + money) and made into assets for nation states. This allows them to have some influence over who gets officially blocked on social media.

Yes it's not ideal to have nation states influencing speech, the current is to have foreign adversary nation states influencing speech. The choice is between having democracies having a de jure influence on social media or have authoritarian countries have a de facto influence on social media.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Does anyone else get the feeling that our leaders have been playing way too much Stellaris, Rimworld, and EvE?

[–] OhmsLawn@lemmy.world 8 points 2 months ago

To reprise a bit of schoolhouse wisdom,

whoever smelt it dealt it.

[–] CompostMaterial@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago