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I use ad blockers and open source privacy focused software whenever I can but occasionally I have to use computers that don't belong to me or an older phone where my usual applications aren't installed and seeing all the advertisements just feels dirty and dystopian.

I think the worst ads are the text to speech ones that say "Download this app today". The unblinking energenic people saying you can make a living at home are probably a close second.

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[–] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 164 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Same, it's so weird seeing normal TV or using the internet without blockers. Feels like living in Idiocracy.

[–] The_v@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

One of my most used sites has a banner that says "Sign up for a small fee to remove the ads."

I was a confused for a second, because I had never seen one.

Tried the site with another browser with my default protection off and holy shit, so many ads. The webpage is mostly unusable because of the shear number.

[–] DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de 89 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah I agree.

It's made me very intolerant of ads. It's kind of surprising how much effort I will invest to avoid ads, and avoid supporting people who make a living from advertising revenue.

[–] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

people who make a living from advertising revenue

That’s a lot of people, lad..

[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

...just imagine if they were all doing something productive instead.

Props to @DogMuffins@discuss.tchncs.de for helping to discourage their parasitic behavior and ushering them toward career paths that might actually utilize their potential in a positive way!

[–] HidingCat@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (18 children)

Lots of the web is still run by advertising revenue. I know a few of the sites I like to go to rely on advertisting. I certainly don't consider them parasites like you do, they're just working within the system, because the alternative is to not exist, and I'd rather not have that.

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[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

That's a lot of people who are a net drain on society both economically and in terms of accomplishment. SO MUCH EFFORT is wasted on trying to get my eyes on their graffiti. The greatest engineers of the 1950s and 1960s put humans on the Moon. The greatest engineers of the 2000s onwards struggle to get eyes on ads.

It's fucking repulsive.

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[–] solstice@lemmy.world 77 points 1 year ago (21 children)

I'm always disgusted with tv ads and it blows me away that people just let commercials scream at them all day to buy viagra, anal leakage meds, insurance etc. Why would you let that shit in your home? Ugh

[–] Etienne_Dahu@jlai.lu 19 points 1 year ago

Why would you let that shit in your home?

Because you didn't buy the anal leakage meds.

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[–] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

It IS perverse. You're having your eyes groped by strangers, all trying to get you to do what you have no desire to do. You just want to get what you came for and leave, but no, everywhere you look something is trying to block your path and distract you from your goal. And it's not even honest: you already know that none of these extraneous, unwanted come-ons you're seeing is anything close to true. In some cases, it's a full-on mental assault.

It's vile. I used to leave some on, but now there's not even such a thing as "acceptable ads" anymore just because of the sheer numbers involved. So now I don't just block: I go full extermination mode. I'm usually on desktop so if it's a one time thing, like a single ad on YouTube that managed to sneak by all of my walls and filters and I can't just pass it by because it's stuck in my field of vision, I'll actually do an "inspect element" and delete it on the spot. But otherwise, if I can't block 100% or very close to it, I find a different site or source, or shut down altogether.

I genuinely don't think our minds were made for this level of constant information onslaught and never-ending manipulation campaigns, and I don't think it's healthy or life-affirming to subject oneself to it without limit. So I don't. People get angry about it, but hey, more for them to enjoy if that's how they wanna roll.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Whenever I see someone's computer who doesn't use adblocker it blows my mind. I can't imagine going back to that shit.

[–] snake@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just install uBO without saying anything ;)

[–] iByteABit@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

Chaotic Good

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's a fun game of too many ads leading to adblockers, which leads to those not using adblockers to get twice as many ads, more people use adblockers, etc. Until the only way for a company to make money on a website is either to sell your data, or charge for the service.

Yay.

[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 23 points 1 year ago

I'd happily pay for a service if I could have a guarantee, with legal teeth (like a service level agreement with truly massive penalties for breach), that the service won't ever do any of the following:

  1. Put an ad in front of my face.
  2. Sell my personal information.

I used to pay for some services to get the "ad-free" version, but almost invariably this chain got subsequently followed: ad-free → opt-in "curated" ads → opt-out "curated" ads → "curated" ads → dropping all pretense of there being any advantage to paying as the site becomes ad-o-rama.

So I won't pay for sites. I just block their ads.

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[–] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago

Every once in a while I find myself looking at the Internet without ad blockers. Like, newly-installing a browser on a newly-installed OS, or trialing a new browser on my phone or whatnot. And when it happens it's a massive shock to me just how unusable the modern Internet is without an ad blocker.

If I were forced somehow to not use an ad blocker, I would probably stop using the WWW portion of the Internet and likely grossly cut down on other facets of the Internet.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 38 points 1 year ago

its really jarring, and to see people just accept it, kinda hurts my soul.

[–] justastranger@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ads nowadays are little more than psychological assault and it can't be healthy to be exposed to it regularly. My Home Ec teacher back in the day had a whole unit about the different manipulations present in advertisements and it was really enlightening and upsetting. Modern advertising should be banned or severely regulated.

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 1 year ago

I support significant regulation, but it won't happen. But having a course like the one you took as well as media-literacy should be required middle-school education with a more sophisticated follow-up in high school. That also won't happen because then you don't get the people who vote for GOP pieces of shit. It's in their interest to have citizens who are easily manipulated.

My father said babies were being aborted basically when ready for birth. I said there's no way that was happening, said send me a link. One glance at the page and I didn't need to read the article because of the gimmicks all over plus obviously bogus ads. He had a doctorate of mech engineering, but he couldn't handle life on the internet. Typing this, I'm horrified to realize that I'm glad he passed when he did and didn't end up with ever-increasingly wacko beliefs that could have harmed our relationship.

[–] Karlos_Cantana@kbin.social 31 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I've wondered how businesses advertise anymore because I never see advertisements. I don't watch TV. I don't listen to radio. I have ad blockers on my devices. I just assumed most people used as blockers too.

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[–] shadowSprite@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My husband refuses to use ad blockers for some unknown reason (I installed them on his computer, he won't fucking use them/turns them off) and also is the person who gets the cookie settings menu and clicks "accepts all" every time. I get so stressed trying to use his computer but also like dude! Have you any idea just what you are allowing them to access??? Granted, I'm somewhat ignorant when it comes to how to be completely safe and private on the internet, but I try, and to see someone just blatantly not care makes me lose my cool a little.

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[–] charonn0@startrek.website 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

"Jarring" would have also been acceptable.

Most people are so desensitized to ads that they barely register. So the advertisers ramp up the attention-grabbing. Repeat. So when I actually see an advertisement it nearly knocks me out of my chair because I'm not desensitized anymore.

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[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 30 points 1 year ago (3 children)

but occasionally I have to use computers that don't belong to me

Do them a favor and install an adblocker.

[–] PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

If i had a dollar for everytime I've done this and been asked why I "downloaded a virus" because Google Chrome has a little red icon in the corner and now things don't "feel right", I'd have like 7 bucks

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[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Most people don’t appreciate it when you install software on their personal devices without their permission.

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[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel like this whenever I'm subjected to cable ads. Who the fuck can sit through like 4 or 5 minutes of ads every 15 minutes?

[–] EeeDawg101@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And they’re paying lots of money for it! It’s mind blowing

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 13 points 1 year ago

They even speed up old shows and movies to run more ads!

[–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The person who was instrumental in the development of modern advertising was also involved in the notorious little Albert experiment. That really says a lot about how unethical modern advertising is on a psychological level. As a psych major myself I am constantly disgusted by how manipulative and toxic advertising is. It actually troubles me how we've essentially just accepted this as part of our society now.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Albert_experiment

[–] redballooon@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

"The aim of Watson and Rayner was to condition a phobia in an emotionally stable child."

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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'm used to seeing brief YouTube ads when I cast from my phone, but I was in a hotel recently where the only option was live TV (we were in the back of the hotel and the Chromecast didn't have a good enough antenna to pick up the router), so it was the first time in years I saw full-on commercials. If the movie hadn't been so good- After the Thin Man- I wouldn't have put up with it.

[–] veroxii@aussie.zone 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Look into the gl.inet travel routers. I've got one of the smaller ones and it has helped me on a few trips. It can run as a hotel wifi extender. An AP for your devices while it logs into the hotel wifi or ethernet on their behalf, etc. Can even channel all your data over a VPN over the hotel connection which is useful if you're overseas and want to use your services back home but need to un-geoblock yourself.

Worth a look for under $100.

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[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I use a VPN which has an excellent ad & bs blocker. But occasionally some sites need me to turn it off to pay for things or whatever and I forget to turn it back on and end up browsing the internet in its normal state.

And wow... welcome to commerce central. It's not that all the ads are obnoxious though some are, but the quantity of them is out of control on some websites.

To be fair, I've found it's a good rule of thumb that the quality of a website is usually proportionate to the less amount of ads they have.

I also reviewed mobile games for a while and had to play without a VPN to get the same experience most players would get - game ads are the worst. Unrepresentative of the games they're trying to sell, but also often sexist (veering towards misogynistic), obnoxious and with false endings.

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[–] Thurgo@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The NHL put computer graphic advertisements on the boards and it has nearly ruined the sport for me. There are some bootleg streams that have a broadcast without the advertisements but most of them I find have the ads. Flashing shit. Cars driving down the boards. Animated logos. It's insane what the NHL decided to do with their broadcast product.

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[–] ButWhatDoesItAllMean@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pihole was the best thing I ever set up for home Internet consumption

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[–] ItsComplicated@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I always get the same 2 responses:

Its not that bad or I dont notice.....grrrrrrr

[–] oddspinnaker@lemm.ee 16 points 1 year ago

“I’ve been beaten into accepting it.”

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[–] kaitco@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago

I notice this more when I have to search for things online on the work laptop. I had no idea how bad some sites were. Things blinking on the one side, a video playing on the other. Huge banners everywhere telling me to download this or click here for this clickbait article.

I’m so accustomed to Firefox, uBlock, Facebook Container, Privacy Badger, and a VPN at home that I feel overwhelmed when I’m online without them. Even my phone has ad blockers and the VPN. It’s a nightmare when you’re running sites…raw.

[–] kaotic@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

At this point I actively avoid brands that shove ads into my web browsing.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Absolutely. And it's getting even worse, since some ad networks also broadcasting executable code in the form of javascript snippets intended to make interactive banners, where e.g. you move the mouse cursor over it, and an in-ad mouse button moves along. A bunch of those have been used to run malicious code on the machines and actually cause harm to the user, from crypto miners to keyloggers and trojans.

In this day and age, I consider a system without adblock to be compromised by default.

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[–] Imajustlayhere@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago

"When I'm watchin' my TV
And a man comes on and tells me
How white my shirts can be
But, he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me"
The Rolling Stones

[–] bappity@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

sat down to watch TV with the parents for the first time in a loooong time and when ads came on I was astounded how many there were and how long they were... insufferable TV ads >_>

[–] thefloweracidic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel you, I've been using an ad blocker for so long I've lost count of the years. I'm always obliterated by how vapid and meaningless modern ads are, its all psychological hacking which is a violation of our mental sovereignty.

I also feel like the "happy young people, living their best life with our product" style ads help keep people delusional about the current state of the world and where we are heading. Like that "Everything is fine" meme, but the dog has a vr headset on and sound cancelling headphones that constantly chant "The heat you are feeling is good for the economy. Everything IS fine!".

I agree, it is 100% dystopian.

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[–] satanmat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I forget that YouTube has ads. And then I go to watch on a platform that doesn’t have blocking and it freaks me out.

[–] VanillaGorilla@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago

My colleague uses chrome like Google intended and every time she shares her screen I question her sanity. Terminal instead of iTerm, ok. Not using oh my zsh, well, if you insist. But that? You can barely identify the information you're looking for between all that screaming nonsense.

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