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[–] cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 100 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Trickle down never worked, this is end game capitalism, something else needs to be added to this mix to fix this mess.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 56 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (5 children)

Capitalism naturally ends up in this position. That's why it's so hard to "fix" -- to those at the top, nothing is wrong.

[–] Qualanqui 35 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Exactly, capitalism is economic perpetual motion, you can't have exponential growth in a finite system.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 3 years ago

Yes. Simple math.

And yet you already got a downvote for it.

[–] Hanabie@sh.itjust.works 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

It's not regulated properly, that's the problem

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 21 points 3 years ago (24 children)

But those regulations are constantly labeled as "anticapitalist" -- because they are.

Why is it so wrong to poke at the inner workings of capitalism? Why must it be infallible?

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Because the people benefiting from its brokenness aren't ready to stop salting the earth for numbers.

[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 years ago (1 children)

...I think you may have misread my comment.

I'm saying it's broken and asking why it should be accepted as infallible.

[–] entropicdrift@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 3 years ago (1 children)

I thought they were just agreeing with you, FWIW

[–] BNE@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 3 years ago

You're right - but I can see how the tone was interpreted as oppositional, I could have worded it differently to direct that more clearly. No harm afaik, lol.

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[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

You have been banned from c/Conservative.

[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 6 points 3 years ago

Exactly. Capitalism is, ultimately, a variant of the Pirate Game, which has some spectacularly unintuitive results.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

Of course, unfortunately, replace the word "capitalism" with pretty much every at scale economic "system", and you get similar results: some group granted authority and power over the rest and "everythings fine" even when they are not.

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[–] Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 25 points 3 years ago (3 children)

Trickle down didn't work in the 1980's or anytime after that.

Trickle down did work in the 1940's, 1950's, and most of the 1960's, it just wasn't called "trickle down" at that time.

The difference was a punitively high tax rate that nobody actually paid, because they found better ways to spend their excess revenue than simply giving it to Uncle Sam.

It turns out that when the richest among us are forced to spend instead of lend, the rest of us finally start to earn fair wages.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 9 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Well, that's not really "trickle down" as championed by Reagan, that's more "use it or lose it". He wanted to reduce those crazy high tax rates to give the rich the choice of whether to keep the money for later or to spend it now, with "trickle down" being the phrase to tell people that it's fine, it'll make it's way out to everyone else... eventually?

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[–] threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

something else needs to be added to this mix to fix this mess

Could Universal Basic Income play a role in this?

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (2 children)

Band aid solution. The system remains unchanged. The billionaires still make their profits off of the backs of you and me.

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[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago

Well at least after AI and robots replace a good portion of the workforce, detaching happy, educated citizens from the societies money flow.

My guess is gouverment by powerful corporation and people unable to adapt dying in gutters, rather that universal income.

[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 7 points 3 years ago (1 children)

There was a "this day in history" tidbit a day or two because it was the anniversary of the last guillotine execution.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago

The last so far.

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 6 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Well there was this guy called Karl Marx, who tried to suggest solutions to the problems of capitalism.

...but I hear he's not trending these days. Wrong kind of people liked his stuff.

[–] mimichuu_@lemm.ee 6 points 3 years ago (12 children)

Actually socialism is more popular now than ever. Enough that mainstream media constantly writes scare articles about how socialist the young generations are.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

The media thinking they can threaten me with a good time...

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 44 points 3 years ago (2 children)

surges

Forgive me if I wait for changes before believing anything is happening. Shit surged a long time ago.

[–] bobman@unilem.org 3 points 3 years ago (1 children)

Covid facilitated the greatest transfer of wealth from the masses to the few in human history.

[–] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Ehhh Colonialist Spain would likely have a few choice words about that

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

We're seeing so many economic problems being caused too much wealth being concentrated. Supply side economics was a stupid idea from the outset, but now we're in the supply side economics endgame.

The wealthy are using that wealth to make products no one needs while people are struggling to afford the things they actually do need. $3500 for Apple goggles? We don't need that and couldn't afford it if we did. How about yet another streaming service? Don't need it, can't afford it. Maybe some VR goggles the you can use to go into a virtual world where you're a legless cartoon character? We'll rename the company after this new product, that'll get people to buy it for sure!

Well shit, it seems the wealthy have so much money, they don't have anywhere to put it. Doesn't seem like enough people are buying the products they develop with that wealth, so what can they invest that money in? I know, maybe they should put it into real estate! Great, now ordinary people can't afford a place to live. Yay, supply side economics is working great!

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[–] luthis 17 points 3 years ago

This is one of the main factors behind my vote this year.

That, free dental, and also keeping the ocean from getting too close to my house.

[–] crackajack@reddthat.com 13 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Is anything ever going to happen though?

[–] Saneless@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago

Sure, once the people who have their entire campaign funded by these rich people vote on our behalf

[–] Digital_Prophet@kbin.social 11 points 3 years ago (1 children)
[–] foggy@lemmy.world 4 points 3 years ago (2 children)

~~guillotine~~

Tar and feather.

Sends a message.

[–] YeetPics@mander.xyz 4 points 3 years ago

We tar an feather every tenth billionaire. Our message must be multi-faceted and diversified, like a billionaires investment portfolio

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 3 points 3 years ago

A weaker message.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 11 points 3 years ago

The calls are growing up so fast, like weeds. /s

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