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Despite what Canada's nation hating extreme right would have you believe.

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[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 91 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I don't think you have to be extreme right wing to have legitimate concerns for the future of Canada. The country is literally on fire. Houses are over $1 million and health care is barely functioning.

I'd hate to see the other guys I guess.

[–] WiseThat@lemmy.ca 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

See, that's the thing. The 10 factors in the ranking include 1) Entrepreneurship, 2) "Open for Business", 3) "Movers", 4) Power, and 5) "Agility", or a place that is 'efficient in its actions, adopt and accept modern solutions'

So, like, half the factors are "how badly do you screw the environment and average non-capital-class citizen"

And in case you think I might be wrong about what they mean by "Movers", the top 5 are the UAE, Qatar, Egypt, Saudia Arabia, and India.

Of COURSE our country, which is composed a bunch of oil, gas, and mining corps in a trenchcoat shaking hands with a couple of oligipolistic banks and telecoms will score well.

[–] nicktron@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Look at the source: its a law firm who brings immigrants over to Canada. Of course they're going to pump our tires. It helps them with business.

[–] hoot@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago

This comment needs to be higher up.

This kind of article isn't news, it's marketing.

[–] tleb@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago

Putting us in 2nd is like 9/10 dentists

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[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

No, but the extreme right call Canada a dictatorship, a third world country, a shithole, etc. Hell, the leader of the official opposition called our freely and fairly elected right of center milquetoast Prime Minister and his father, "Marxists." It's ridiculous. Literally worthy of ridicule.

Most of the people who are complaining have no frame of reference other than being brought up in the safe, warm busom of one of the best countries in the world.

[–] MooseGas@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It is scary. Don't get me wrong, I don't disagree that Canada is a great place to live. However, we can't take that for granted.

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

Absolutely true. There are problems but they are first world problems and we really are very lucky to live here. I just bristle at hearing things like, "Canada is a dictatorship", no it isn't, "Canada is a third world country", no it isn't, "Justin Trudeau is a Marxist and so was his father", ridiculous. Some people need a dose of perspective.

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[–] danielquinn@lemmy.ca 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

As a Canadian expat, these sorts of surveys are an embarrassment. Canada is not that great. It has some good things going for it, but "second best in the world" is a laughable statement.

  • The wealth disparity is terrible
  • Nearly every inhabited patch of land is a suburban hellscape.
  • The government is routinely dedicated to accomplishing as little as possible, especially on climate
  • The fossil fuel lobby is embarrassingly strong
  • The cost of living is extreme for many, with little effort to reign it in
  • The country suffers from an inferiority complex in relation to the US of all places.
  • The electoral system is broken

I mean, I love my country, but I've seen a lot of places that I'd rather live. The idea that we're 2nd best compared to even half of the countries I've visited in the last 10 years is just silly.

[–] Numpty@lemmy.ca 16 points 1 year ago

I can really relate to this. I lived outside of Canada for 25 years. I recently-ish moved back to Canada and am totally blown away by things here. Life isn't always amazing in any place you pick on the planet, but god damn, Canadians need to stop contemplating their collective belly button lint and focus on some of the massive issues that need attention.

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I have lived all over the world and I agree. It’s one of the better places in the world but it’s not as great as a lot of Canadians believe

[–] Polar@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Meanwhile my girlfriend just got back from travelling around Europe and all of those "superior" countries, and couldn't wait to get home.

Said everyone was rude, taxis scammed her frequently, the public transit was pretty subpar with no other choice, the food was pretty mediocre, she had to be extra careful about pick pocketers, and lastly she said everyone stunk so bad from perfume that she had a constant headache.

Canada isn't perfect, but it does have a ton going for it.

[–] elbarto777@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've been to Europe many times, and my experience has been the total opposite of what your girlfriend describes.

Europe is huge. Don't judge a whole continent for what your girlfriend experience is maybe one or two places.

That's like saying that North America sucks because your girlfriend got mugged in Juarez, México.

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[–] Cr4yfish@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Out of interest, which places in Europe?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 year ago

Well she wasn't in the nordic countries at least, public transport can be subpar but is almost always servicable and gets you anywhere (we have on-demand minibuses for rural areas), the only part that could apply is being seen as rude because we don't greet every person within our field of view..

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[–] RickyWars@lemmy.ca 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Go Canada, but I think this might show how much more of a depressing state the rest of the world is in

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 15 points 1 year ago

That's what it looks like from Finland as well. Often in high rankings, it's just horrible to know what others are going through

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 30 points 1 year ago (21 children)

United States is fifth.

Yeah, "best" is a rather vague metric, and in this case, simply bullshit

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hey the USA is a great place to live if you make good money. Not a great place to be poor though.

[–] Grimpen@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Pretty much. Most of the best Universities in the world. That most of it's citizens could never afford to attend. Many of the best Hospitals and specialty clinics in the world. That again most of it's people can't use.

Most American's are somewhere in the middle, and I'm sure the median household has more disposable income than most other first world countries, it's just that the prosperity is so unevenly spread.

Granted, some would speculate that it is because of the unevenness that the US is so prosperous, but I would dispute that. I think the US could go a long long ways towards helping it's less fortunate without compromising it's prosperity.

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[–] Harpsist@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (11 children)

No body said it was the best country - for a citizen - no no no. Its the best country for giant corporations!

Tired of wood, wetlands, and natives being of the way of your accident waiting to happen pipe line? Go Canada!

Don't want to commit actual genocide on your native population? Rather isolate them in small communities then poison them with water unfit for even the most hearty of a animals? Go Canada!

Your wealthy friends want to make billions buying and selling green protected land? Go Ontario!

Are the homeless an eye sore to your wealthy friends visiting? Don't worry, here in Canada we have 6 months of winter to clean up those unwanted eye sores.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But Poilievre says Canada is the worst place on earth!

[–] MapleEngineer@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago

He also says that it milquetoast right of center Prime Minister is a Marxist. He's a liar but the people who believe his nonsense are fucking idiots.

[–] SourSweetChaos@feddit.de 11 points 1 year ago

USA #5 and UK #9 lol

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I have been to a lot of first world countries for extended periods as a digital nomad. Canada is not even in the top 5 imo

[–] mudeth@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As a digital nomad, I'm guessing you would have been to relatively low CoL places like Bali, Thailand, maybe Eastern Europe or LatAm. You have to remember that your experience as someone from the global north, earning in a strong currency is very different from a local person there.

Not that i disagree with you that rankings are flawed but by the same token, Canada /is/ in the top 5 for many people from low standard-of-living countries

[–] mindcruzer@lemmy.ca 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Typically you’d be right but as a DN I actually spent most of my time in North America and western Europe—mostly in countries people would compare Canada with (UK, France, Spain, Norway, Germany, USA, Australia, etc.). I never went to Asia or South America as a DN. Actually the only time I stepped foot in LatAm was in Panama for a month this past winter.

It really changed my perspective on Canada. I don’t think it’s a bad country at all but I don’t hold it in as high regard as I once did. Every country has its strengths and weaknesses. What those are is different for everyone. Canada is squandering immense potential in my opinion. If it wasn’t for family, there are several places in the USA I would consider living long term instead.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

as a digital nomad

I don't know how they measured this at US News either, but the digital nomad experience is pretty different from the local experience. By digital nomad standards certain third world cities are great.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Through a survey of over 17,000 people from 36 countries

Oh, so subjectively "better"? What about objective measurements, like how many people are a paycheck away from losing it all? Or the cost of living? Or worker rights?

Specifically, Canada was chosen as the:

  • 2nd best country to start a career
  • 4th best country for education
  • 7th best country for studying abroad
  • 7th best country for raising kids
  • 2nd best country for racial equality
  • 6th best country for women
  • 6th best country for comfortable retirement
  • 6th most transparent country
  • 2nd best country to headquarter a corporation

Imagine a sports team coming in 6th place for most tournaments, and never winning first in any of them, yet they win an award for being the 2nd best team in the league... makes no sense to me.

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[–] blindsight@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I had to click through to see the ratings in each category, and they all seemed reasonable to me aside from Canada's low rank for "Adventure". Eco tourism is huge in Canada. People come from all over the world to Canada for outdoor adventure.

Maybe I'm just not a traveler, but that ranking seemed odd to me.

Then again, I don't live in the continuous urban sprawl of Southern Ontario all along the 401 and up the 400. I guess if you live in Toronto, you're like 2+ hours from eco tourism destinations, while, in Europe, 2 hours is enough to have the option to go to several other countries.

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[–] pancakes@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It might be the second best, but I feel like that's more of a statement on the rest of the world failing in specific areas than on Canada excelling.

We're a B- student in every class. Sure, it's not the highest score and in every subject we're usually surpassed by other countries, but most other countries don't have a B- average due to major issues of some kind.

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[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd be first if it weren't for the baby vomit covered airline seats!

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[–] ryanpdg1@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I didn't actually read this... because I'm actually supposed to be working right now. After a bit of digging i found their methodology. someone want to look it over and see how legitimate it is? https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/methodology

[–] villasv@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

A set of 73 country attributes

an online survey [...] total of 17,195 individuals from 36 countries. Of the respondents, 8,267 were informed elites, 4,622 were business decision-makers and 7,402 were considered general public (43%). Survey participants were given a random subset of countries and country attributes to consider: about half of the attributes for roughly a third of the countries.

Participants assessed whether they associated an attribute with a nation. The more a country was perceived to exemplify a certain characteristic in relation to the average, the higher that country's attribute score.

Attributes were grouped into 10 thematic subrankings. Subranking scores for each country were determined by averaging the scores that country received in each of the attributes comprising that subranking.

To determine the weight each subranking score had in the overall Best Countries score, using correlation with GDP(PPP) per capita [...] a stronger relationship weighted more heavily: Entrepreneurship (14.13%), Quality of Life (14.12%), Agility (14.02%), Social Purpose (12.83%), Movers (11.54%), Cultural Influence (10.44%), Open for Business (9.43%), Adventure (5.37%), Power (5.00%), Heritage (3.13%).

The math sounds alright. My main gripe would be that it's survey-based (so highly affected by biased perceptions) and that an attribute impact in the overall ranking is dictated by its correlation with wealth, which is kinda arbitrary - and bleak. Great things like "friendly, fun, good for tourism, pleasant climate, scenic" (Adventure) and "culturally accessible, has a rich history, has great food, many cultural attractions, many geographical attractions" (Heritage) are heavily discounted.

To be honest, the only category of attributes I care about in this methodology are in the realm of Quality of Life (Canada #3), but I still find it wildly arbitrary that "good job market" is QoL but things like "pleasant climate" and "good food" are not. Anyway, the top 20 in QoL are the usual suspects, so I don't really care about minor changes in relative position between these - lol at US #23.

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