Another thing that would help is not releasing one of your most anticipated and subsequently well received games in recent memory exclusively on Epic. Still waiting for Alan Wake 2 to release on Steam or Gog guys...
this post was submitted on 27 Sep 2024
45 points (94.1% liked)
Gaming
2388 readers
30 users here now
The Lemmy.zip Gaming Community
For news, discussions and memes!
Community Rules
This community follows the Lemmy.zip Instance rules, with the inclusion of the following rule:
- No NSFW content
You can see Lemmy.zip's rules by going to our Code of Conduct.
What to Expect in Our Code of Conduct:
- Respectful Communication: We strive for positive, constructive dialogue and encourage all members to engage with one another in a courteous and understanding manner.
- Inclusivity: Embracing diversity is at the core of our community. We welcome members from all walks of life and expect interactions to be conducted without discrimination.
- Privacy: Your privacy is paramount. Please respect the privacy of others just as you expect yours to be treated. Personal information should never be shared without consent.
- Integrity: We believe in the integrity of speech and action. As such, honesty is expected, and deceptive practices are strictly prohibited.
- Collaboration: Whether you're here to learn, teach, or simply engage in discussion, collaboration is key. Support your fellow members and contribute positively to shared learning and growth.
If you enjoy reading legal stuff, you can check it all out at legal.lemmy.zip.
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 28 comments
sorted by:
hot
top
controversial
new
old
Epic paid for (part of) Alan Wake 2's development. Without them we may not have had the game in the first place, and certainly not in the state it released in.
Maybe if you appreciate the studio and their work you should buy the game where they will make the most profit from the sale.
Apparently they're not making enough profit on Epic to avoid taking a loan from Tencent.
Personally, I object to Epic using purchased exclusivity as a tool to gain market share, and refuse to capitulate to that approach when there's so many other games to play. If they truly.want to compete with Steam then actually make their marketplace competitive with more social and community features that Steam offers.
They're not making enough profit on Epic because people prefer feeding Steam's monopoly and would rather wait for the game to come to that platform than purchase it on a platform where the devs would get a bigger share of the sale. It's not that they don't make enough profit per copy on Epic, it's that the number of customers isn't high enough to compensate.
The social stuff is bloat, you need the platform to purchase and launch your games, that's it, they already have all essentials like being able to automatically join friends in multiplayer games, why do they need crap like cards or forums (which are better as a third party administered by people who don't have a financial incentive to hide complaints).
No matter how much they make their platform similar to Steam, you'll find another reason not to buy on it, people are still complaining about shit they fixed years ago like not having a cart or achievements.
It's very funny to see people on Lemmy (of all places) pushing for centralization.
The social stuff may be bloat to you, but it helps me to see which friends are online, and let's me join their games or invite them to mine.
There's nothing that epic adds that I care about and I refuse to buy their exclusives, because that encourages them even more to keep doing that.
Steam may not be perfect, but it's pretty damn good. I have enough with GOG and Steam, and don't want to add multiple storefronts to the list of launchers on my PC.
So the thing that you want is something that is available on Epic.
Yay monopoly!
Personally if there's no technical reason for a game to be exclusive, then I just want that game to be freely available for people to buy on their platform of choice that has the features they want, or supports their values. Personally, I would prefer to see a GOG release over Steam, as I highly value that they allow me to actually download and own my game installers, they have done amazing work making older games playable and accessible on modern systems.
There's no technical reason for Alan Wake 2 to be an Epic exclusive, it's simply that Remedy got a financial incentive up front from Epic to release that way. This isn't Epic trying to compete with other game platforms, but rather betting that by being the only platform to offer the game will be sufficient to attract players.
This has all played out before with other publishers pulling their games from Steam and releasing on their own platforms (Origin, uPlay etc), but both have vome.back as players will simply go and play something else rather than flock to another games.platfork.in which they have no investment. It's something that even Sony has seen the light on and why we are now seeing historically console exclusive properties coming to PC like God of War and Last of Us.
Steam may be the biggest game in when it comes to games distribution, and monopolies are bad, but to advocate for Epic Games of all companies as an alternative is a weird position to take.
So you don't see value in studios getting guaranteed financing in exchange for timed exclusivity instead of having to rely on the lottery that comes with releasing on all/other platforms?
It's not as if the studios were obligated to sign with Epic either, they just look at the offers on the table and they figure that "Hey, we've got financial obligations to meet, including paying our employees, maybe it's not such a bad idea to get some money upfront."
It's the same as choosing between a salaried job vs one where you're working 100% for commission...
Also your argument would work if you and others were boycotting games that only release on Steam because they end up having a ton of exclusives, the only difference is that they have them because of the size of their user base, they don't need to give anything in exchange for it, just the hope that the game will sell more is enough to make devs and publishers ignore the other platforms and if their games don't sell enough on Steam only then too bad, they don't have anything to back themselves with.
If they offer it on steam and then sell Steam keys on their own website, that should get them the most from each sale...
I don't have an issue with the soft limit on the number of keys, if the limitations aren't too strict. The way it's described makes it sound like it's just to prevent abuse.
I didn't even have a problem with the price parity, since that's limited to the sale of said Steam keys on other store platforms, which makes sense. The developer can still hand out keys for free, just not sell them cheaper anywhere else. I would however find it problematic if they also required price parity for sales of non Steam key copies on other stores.
I'm never giving the company that made billions exploiting the FOMO of children my money. I won't install the launcher. I don't didn't need their free games.
I don't care if they can throw their massive pile of Fortnite cash around to give developers more money.
So you're not giving Valve money either, right? Want some hats?
Valve have done scummy things, too. But I'm not going to pretend that somehow they're both equally bad.
Oh so you're just another one of the people for whom if it's Valve doing it then it's ok, funny how your principles go out the window for this one company.
Gabe is multi billionaire buddy, Valve also made billions exploiting people's weaknesses, the only difference is that it ends up in one guy's pockets instead of the multiple people invested in the company like in Epic's case.
I'm not supporting a company just for charity. Companies aren't people.
- They make something I want
- I buy it
An epic release isn't what I want.
I play on Linux. Steam offers amazing support for windows games, Epic goes out of their way to make Linux gaming harder. That means it's a hard no for me. Steam or DRM-free so I can tinker with it myself.
Why is that so important? If you like the game and want to support it, buy it
But if you don’t like the platform and don’t want to support it, what do you do then?
And a lot of people don’t like epic games for a number of reasons.
If it's just a game launcher then whatever. Is the game any different over there?
The game’s not different. But the launcher is missing some features and also, it’s not just a launcher but a store and some percentage of the money you pay for the game goes to them. And if you don’t want to give Epic Games money (which would be fair, considering their relations with for example tencent), buying a game there is out of the question.
Understandable. However, these days it's 1. Buy from mega Corp number one or 2. Buy from mega Corp number two.
They got us by the balls