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[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 18 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.

I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.

Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their source and require files regularly as a fallback.

[–] josephsh5@lemm.ee 1 points 13 minutes ago

I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of

[–] skymtf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Tons of boot kickers in the comments here

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 3 hours ago

Boot lickers?

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 11 points 17 hours ago

Well you gotta kick boots. What else you gonna do, kick sandals? That's just insane.

[–] 3xa8yte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.

[–] cordlesslamp@lemmy.today 2 points 12 hours ago

Teach your nephew about the evilness of Nintendo and why he shouldn't support them anymore.

[–] figaro@lemdro.id 7 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I mean. I understand the sentiment but I don't think your nephew will understand 😅 you should keep buying games for your nephew bro. I'll stop buying games in his place

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 11 points 16 hours ago

I'm sure there's plenty of other things they'd appreciate too. Maybe instead they could help them move over to PC even.

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[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 44 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (4 children)

I'm a bit salty this was apparently announced through Discord. Was it even posted anywhere else?

The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 9 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I will never not be pissed off that the overwhelming majority of communities that made the internet vibrant especially when nerding out about niche stuff just happily moved to discord and foreclosed their futures.

Everytime I get down on the fediverse I think about what discord did to online communities I loved and I get fired up again.

[–] jacksilver@lemmy.world 20 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn't all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 12 points 17 hours ago

Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.

Some won't let you sign up without a phone #.

[–] recklessengagement@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is a big part of why I stopped using discord recently. Not yet sure of any alternatives but leaving is step one.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Matrix.

And... Lemmy.

It doesn't matter though, the problem is the critical mass is migrating to Discord and shunting everything out of view. Honestly that's much worse than being on Reddit, even now.

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[–] xan1242@lemmy.dbzer0.com 39 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I need to remind some people here who don't seem to understand something.

Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.

However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.

It's a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.

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[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 32 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Yeah, this is dumb.

I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren't originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.

Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo's marketing efforts combined)

[–] frozen@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz 3 points 14 hours ago

I'm one of those weirdos who actually dumps all my own games with my own modded launch Switch mainly for preservation purposes.

But then TotK came out and performed so poorly on the console itself, I exported my save to play on PC and Steam Deck. Every part of my Switch emulation journey has been legal and by-the-book: dumped my own firmware, my own keys, and my own games.

Fuck Nintendo for bullying these developers.

[–] TwilightVulpine@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

A lot of people resort to emulation simply so they can play mods too.

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[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren't originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.

Can't wait until our courts decide that, due to the prevalence of "remasters" that are just upscaled ROMs running on emulators, that this is no longer considered "fair use."

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

Fair use has nothing to do with this. Fair use has to do with distributing a copyrighted work. Emulators are (ideally) running completely original code that isn't copied from the company's source code. This is why, for example, PCSX2 has you use "your own" PS2 BIOS instead of including it.

The PS2 BIOS is copyrighted, so it's illegal to distribute it (and it's never been "fair use" to distribute it). But it's not illegal to do whatever you want with it (including dump it) as long as you own the console you're dumping it from and as long as you don't upload it to the internet for the purpose of distributing it to others. As far as the law is concerned, you bought the console and can do to it whatever you wish, provided you keep it to yourself and don't distribute it to others.

Games fall under the same category. You're free to dump your games and play them however you wish, provided you don't distribute the dumped game to other people. However, companies are also free to implement measures (DRM) to stop you from doing that as much as possible, likely because they know more people would illegally distribute them if they didn't.

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[–] refalo@programming.dev 20 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously...

[–] brian@programming.dev 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

doesn't matter if they don't know who you are, Nintendo can still offer you a ton of money to delete it. it wasn't necessarily legal threats or I assume they would have sent the cease and desist to GitHub and gotten the repo removed first

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[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Emulators have been legal in the past I thought. Sure, there's something to be said about common sense and developing emulators for current generation platforms.

[–] psud@aussie.zone 1 points 2 hours ago

Whole reimplementations have survived. IBM BIOS was the only original BIOS for PCs. Phoenix Technologies had a team read the source code for IBM BIOS (it was published in the user manual for troubleshooting) and wrote a specification for it which a different team wrote software from, making IBM compatible machines possible

I don't know what law an emulator could be killed under, unless a license holder breached the user license as part of the development

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

IIRC, they're legal as long as they don't explicitly distribute any of the copyright owner's own code or files. That's why, for example, PCSX2 requires you to dump "your own" PS2 BIOS and doesn't provide any itself. Because PCSX2 doesn't distribute the PS2 BIOS and because its way of talking to the BIOS doesn't copy the source code, that emulator is in the clear.

Some modern emulators (ex. Ryujinx) don't even need BIOS files (or whatever they're called on Switch) to be able to run games. But they also don't use Nintendo's original code to run the game.

Take all this with a grain of salt. I'm saying it from memory.

[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 1 points 12 hours ago

You wouldn't download the PS2 BIOS 🎸🎸🎸

[–] refalo@programming.dev 2 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Yes, I wasn't trying to refute that. But Nintendo can still ruin your life fighting a losing battle if they wanted to. To me it's just not worth the risk of putting your name on it.

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[–] tomjuggler@lemmy.world 11 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Well that sucks.. I'm still pissed at Roblox for their DRM rug pull on Linux. Didn't stop the bots and hackers for more than two weeks anyways - bet Ryujinx 2.0 will be out soon too.

Anyone know if DRM is cracked on Roblox yet? Just a yes or no I can find it nevermind I'll go look

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[–] josephsh5@lemm.ee 8 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

Why is Nintendo in particular this aggressive against emulators? Why haven't we heard of Sony going after PCSX2 and RPCS3, or Microsoft going after Xenia and Xemu?

[–] Juigi@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

Nintendo sucks that's why

[–] LoamImprovement@beehaw.org 5 points 16 hours ago

Nintendo's infamously protective of its IP, even to its obvious detriment. I know a lot of people who jumped on the nomoretendo bandwagon after AM2R got DMCA'd, because the smart and morally correct thing to do would have been to hire that person and pull his incredible talent into the next Metroid game, because they clearly had a lot of love and respect for the subject matter and the technical expertise to put it into action. It's hard to overstate just how fucking good and polished that project was, virtually identical to the Fusion/Zero Mission engine, except in the ways it was more improved. It was certainly better than anything Nintendo had done with Metroid in quite a while.

[–] vinnymac@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

It is likely due to age and popularity. At this point PCSX2 is the only widely popular emulator you've listed, but is older, in the same way Dolphin is old and less of a concern of harming their limelight. That isn't to say those other emulators aren't making waves lately, but there is a window between age and popularity that makes this software a prime target. Especially emulators for current gen, which has been historically very rare, and when it did exist were no where near as good as CEMU, Yuzu, and Ryujinx were.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

In general I'd agree, although Citra feels like an exception. I'm not quite sure why they targeted that one so hard.

[–] vinnymac@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Probably for the same reason Nintendo shuttered the stores for 3DS and Wii U over the last year. They are attempting to consolidate infrastructure, support, user base, and sales.

[–] nek0d3r@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Now that Citra isn't available, Nintendo knows I have no choice but to buy Samus Returns on my Switch!

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 4 points 17 hours ago

I'd guess it is because the most popular way to acquire games for Citra was Nintendo's own servers

[–] josephsh5@lemm.ee 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I think this also shows how underpowered Nintendo consoles are; the Switch is essentially a slightly upgraded Wii U, which itself was only marginally better than the PS3 and Xbox 360! If Nintendo really wanted to combat piracy, all they had to do was beef up their flagship console to the point where it's hard to emulate.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 94 points 1 day ago (15 children)

fuck Nintendo and fuck fanboys who defend them at every turn. breath of the wild was a 7/10 game

[–] Gestrid@lemmy.ca 3 points 12 hours ago

I say this as a die-hard 3D Zelda fan:

I was soooo boooored in BOTW! There was no current main story. It all happened in the past. You're basically playing through the climax the entire time. And I hated it. I mainly play Zelda for the story, and this was a very poorly told one.

TOTK was somewhat better because it gave us better characters (I will die for Tulin), a bit better characterization (I enjoyed Zelda getting a lot more fleshed out this time), and a somewhat better story... but there were still way too many reused story beats. That is to say, the story was fleshed out much better, but they still reused the overall story structure from BOTW (get the memories fight the four bosses in the four temples, etc.). They did add a fifth temple and a mid-game story thing, but that's mostly it. They also didn't even acknowledge how similar some things were to their counterparts in BOTW (ex. the ~~Malice~~ Gloom), which really bothered me. Also, some stuff just felt... unfinished. Like the reporter bird who, by the end of it all, just ends up pondering and trying to figure himself out... and that's it. It felt like setup for DLC, but there wasn't any.

... That was a very unintentionally long rant.

To summarize: hated BOTW; somewhat enjoyed TOTK, though it could've been much better.

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