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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 38 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The tariff is paid by the car dealer and passed onto the consumer. As one example.

Consumers pay it, not the overseas manufacturer.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This assumes the thing with the tariff is even available. I can't buy a Hilux because of the Chicken Tax.

[–] YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH@infosec.pub 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And how the fuck am I even to make a decent technical without a Hilux?

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There's a Second Amendment argument to be made here

Honestly? This would work on this court.

[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So let me say, I agree entirely that the tariffs raise consumer prices. Trumps tarrifs plan is indeed insane, and his claims about it being paid by China or whoever are entirely ludicrous.

However, as a technical point, all taxes have a "tax incidence" that you can measure. The tax incidence is the percent of the tax on a corporation, good, service etc that is borne by an entity. It is not always 100% on a consumer except in the most trivial, "consumers pay for everything" kind of way. For competitive or reputational reasons a firm with substantial revenue might decide to absorb some cost, rather than pass it on. In those cases, the tax incidence is not 100% on the consumer, but shared by the business out of their revenue.

I promise though, Trump has the mind of a decomposing tangerine and absolutely could not speak about or understand the subtleties here.

Anyway, politically speaking, I'll never bring this up again. Please keep hammering Trump however you like and I'll keep my corrections to myself, lol.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

You’re cool. I’m happy to hear it. Economics and the stock market are my least favorite and least understood topics.

I’m just tickled to have this better understanding of tariffs and inflation from all the political commentary. Economists keep showing up on podcasts.

“Decomposing tangerine” is appreciated as well. His Cluster B brain is also 80yo brain and doesn’t appear to be weathering life very well of late.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Correct. So in the car example, it really only works if the US puts a tariff on imports, and then they do some kind of government credit for domestic cars. This would raise the price of imported cars while making domestic cars more affordable to Americans.

[–] hydrospanner@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You're placing a lot of faith in our totally trustworthy, honest, caring, and cooperative domestic auto manufacturers to...you know...not just look at the new increased price of imports, as well as the government credit for buying domestic...and raise all their prices to that amount across the board, with the increase adding more expense to the consumer directly that is pure profit on their end.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 1 points 21 hours ago

Correct. It was just an example under ideal conditions when everyone involved was acting in good faith, not taking into account capitalism, which demands the graph go up no matter what.

Anyway, either way it demonstrates that tariffs aren't free money (or even a money making tool) like Trump believes them to be, and the BS he is trying to sell Americans on.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Only kinda, that assumes enough people still buy the imports otherwise there's no money to transfer over.

[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Even domestic cars are assembly in America but the parts come from other countries so no you still going be effected by that.

Also keep in mind there a reason shit not made here. We can't compete with their cheap labor prices. So even if you tried to move some of those jobs back here it would still cost the consumer a shit ton more money on said goods.

[–] TimLovesTech@badatbeing.social 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A tariff isn't a money making tool, it's about making a good not as great a deal against another, typically a domestically made good.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump doesn't understand it though. He plans* to use it to finance childcare.

*As if he would do something like that. Why keep kids fed when you can line your pockets instead.

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s a sound bite of him at a recent rally talking about how much he hated paying overtime and how he would avoid it.

He doesn’t care.

[–] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And I'm sure he doesn't feel it understand empathy

[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Cluster B. NPD is not known for empathy.

[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Lol his facial expression "if I fail to look like a big strong boy maybe they can't tell I'm trying not to cry"

[–] distantsounds@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Concepts of a proposal for another Great Depression by the most stablest of the geniuses

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Dude wants to sabotage the US on purpose to give Russia an advantage.

I'm not saying Trump's tariff proposal is a good idea (I don't know enough relevant economics) but that article's own chart shows that tariffs increased to Trump levels after the Great Depression started and then declined back to below Trump levels several years before the Great Depression ended. I don't think the data in the article supports the article's link of high tariffs and the Great Depression.

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