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It wouldn't hurt to bring this up the next time someone tells you Trump is an anti-war candidate.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

likewise we should remove him from contention and worry about the rest later

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 3 hours ago

About right for the man who had to be told he couldn't nuke a hurricane.

[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 hours ago

Ensuing global nuclear catastrophe? Don’t worry about it.

-Orange Dotard

[–] Veedem@lemmy.world 57 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I know someone who was born in Palestine (but spent most of his life in the US) who will be voting for Trump because, and these are his words, “I just think he’ll be better”.

Not even worth having the convo.

[–] popcap200@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Lmao. Insanity. Man is hella hyped on Russian propaganda. Did he forget about Jerusalem?

[–] mightyfoolish@lemmy.world -1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt he is hopped on Russian propaganda. It comes from the fact that the Middle East was much more stable under Trump (who's government did try to deescalate tension) versus Biden who called himself a Zionist and supplied weapons used to carry out a genocide.

Any "but... but" won't ever make the above statement true regardless if Trump becoming president is the worse outcome for Palestine.

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 7 points 2 hours ago

Trump's attempt at making other Muslim countries make peace with Israel without properly addressing the Palestinian question is something Hamas cited as part of their 'casus belli', the reason they attacked Israel. They feared that if their supposed "allies" made peace, the Palestinian cause would be lost.

Trump didn't really deescalate tensions, rather he provoked some (e.g. the embassy move) and he tried to ignore other rising tensions because addressing those would be too difficult. One can easily argue his actions were the indirect cause of the current mess.

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 65 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

there are rooms full of rich men looking to start ww3 so they can profit from it. trump is just parroting their desires

the us military budget literally never gets lowered even when they ask for it. but education, healthcare, anything helping human beings is always on the chopping block... always be cut back.

[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 13 points 10 hours ago

I don't know about lowering military budget or education or healthcare budgets at all. The key seems to be the control what those funds are spent on, to funnel them to industries and beneficiaries who support the people who get voted into office.

I truly think the great majority of policy is set based on quid pro quo.

Even anti-abortion has many economical opportunities. Morning after pills will spike. Neighboring state abortion clinics will explode in business. Labor in areas where abortions by the poors is not available will see a growing demand in baby products and immediately and eventually a very low cost labor base to manufacture goods to sell elsewhere.

I do not believe politicians are dumb, on the contrary I think they have no sense of morality. The leadership of the party are vicious sociopathic megalomaniacs. They are experts at propaganda and manipulation via the media, where they work hand in hand with billionaire media owners.

Short and near term financial gains can buy you a ticket to salvation after the planet is ruined in 50-250 years. If they need to buy luxury proprety and loads of ~~slaves~~ servants to retain their standing and quality of life, they are going to do that. If they are afraid of foreign powers taking control they have no issues starting proxy wars via russia or israel so the american people can spend hundreds of billions of dollars funding the military industrial complex contracts that them and their buddies benefit from, meanwhile sending the young high potential competitors to their children or grandchildren off to die on the front line.

Anyway, the last thing they want to do is focus on taking care of the american people. IGMFY is the name of the game. The few rare exceptions like Bernie spin their wheels trying to effect real change and the majority of the other politicians try to stay out of the line of fire while promoting things that benefit themselves, typically only affecting them behind the scenes.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

If the Fallout TV show taught me anything, you cannot profit off of the apocalypse. That's literally antithetical to capitalism. That's why they disrespected the lore so much, right?

[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

history (aka, reality) proves war to be profitable.

the american economy is incredibly dependent on creating and selling human killing devices. just go read what happens every time they try and cut back on the military-industrial complex.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Proxy wars are profitable. Total war really isn't. Even in history for a war to be profitable, you have to be having the war outside your countries borders. Nukes aren't profitable, and never will be.

I hear what you are saying about the MIC. I also agree with Eisenhower when he said:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Ultimately there's no objective measure of whether "war is profitable". There's no objective definition of war. There's no objective measurement of the "sides" and their profit/loss, much less the nuances of who specifically profits or loses.

But total was is relatively profitable versus being destroyed. And it's absolutely profitable for a select group of people. Most often it's similar people on "both sides" that profit.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Profitable for a select group of people, who should be named, shamed, tarred and feathered.

I believe that if you were to do an economic analysis of the total P/L of the entirety of human conflict, the L column would overwhelmingly outweighs the P column, even leaving out all modern warfare, which just ramps up the L side. I say that because one of my econ professors did just that during a class. He published a paper about it, but I have no clue what it was called, it would have been somewhere between '96 and '98 that he published it.

[–] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 17 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Do not follow the orange turds advice.

[–] Mr_Blott@feddit.uk 4 points 8 hours ago

Is it possible to filter post titles that start "trump says"?

[–] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 58 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Worry about the rest later when my bootlickers and I blame it all on democrats

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 22 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

He talked about using nukes before he got elected, people still voted for him. A trump voter isn't going to be swayed by logic or facts or ethics.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago

He talked about using Nukes while in office as well. IIRC, "Fire and Fury," was the first threat to NK.

[–] takeda@lemmy.world 11 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Wait, wasn't he the "for peace" candidate?

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 25 points 9 hours ago

He is the "I'll tell whatever lie might get people to clap and cheer" candidate.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago

That's what he claims.

He claims a lot of things.

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

"For Peace" for Americans, everyone else can bomb each other to death.

And by 'Americans', he only means those who support him. Those who don't get bombed, too.

[–] Myxomatosis@lemmy.world 14 points 11 hours ago

“Where’s the harm in that? I had an Uncle who was very good with the nuclear. One time, he dropped a nuclear bomb, jumped on top of the bomb, and then rode it down through the skies. One of the most beautiful scenes ever seen. Funny guy, my Uncle.” - added Donnie.

[–] barsquid@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago

"We don't have any evidence (other than Yemen and very public statements) that Donald will do that, therefore we must collectively throw our ballots in the garbage for some reason."