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Face it: Donald Trump, at 78, has lost his grip (www.nj.com)
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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 90 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Hold on a sec, - just - hold up. You’re telling me, okay, the guy who can’t finish a thought at all, who lies all the time as a conversational style, who wears botched paint on his face with little raccoon cutouts for his beady, cloudy eyes, with his wet hair that goes to the middle of his back all whipped up like cotton candy, in a huge plastic girdle that makes him stand like the front-half of a centaur, with lifts in his shoes, and a high, whiny, grating voice with the jacking-off-two-giants-dance . . . .

You’re telling me he’s worse than the 2016 version? Cause all that’s the same.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 31 points 2 months ago

he's louder.

and smellier.

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Nailed it

[–] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 49 points 2 months ago

He’s eating the dogs

He’s eating the cats

He’s dripping the Syphilis from his tiny mushroom 🍄 peen

He’s emboldened by his Syphilis induced dementia

[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 47 points 2 months ago

"grip" wasn't what drew republicans to trump in the first place, it was the authoritarian racism, and he's still got plenty of that, so they're going to support him again, because republicans realized that they could never win on their arguments in a secular egalitarian democracy, which is why they've sought to tear it asunder since the civil rights act, with the southern strategy in 1966. trump isn't a symptom, maga was always the goal.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 44 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Weird. I thought he was totally sane in 2016. Stop voting for this weirdo that wants to fuck his daughter. Yes, his crimes are horrible, but the worst part about him is that he is so annoying.

[–] rayyy@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I thought he was totally sane in 2016

That's because you didn't know about him. He's been pretty much a perv, crook and liar all his life.

[–] RinseDrizzle@midwest.social 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I fully assumed dude was being sarcastic.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Nah, dawg. I'm bigly serious.

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

When I was a kid in the nineties, I had a book of urban legends. One of them was about a couple who happened to encounter him in a broken down car and help him out, only to find out he had later anonymously paid off their mortgage. It's interesting sometimes to reflect on that story.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I’ve heard the same story about Bill Gates

[–] toynbee@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I'm not as fascinated with urban legends as I was when I was a nineties kid, but I have heard iterations of this story with various celebrities. This one stuck with me I guess because I didn't know who it was at the time and had to ask my parents. A similar situation came up with a comic about female models in a Mother Goose and Grimm collection.

The reason the referenced story is interesting to reflect on (for me) isn't because of its content in its entirety but because of the part that portrays the individual as someone with integrity and generosity rather than the person he has shown himself to be. I could still theoretically believe the story if it were of Bill Gates or other celebrities the first time I read it.

[–] barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I heard a story about Bill Gates on a private plane to the Caribbean.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I heard that one about Trump too

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I think the real tipping point for me was the day he had a press conference and started looking up at the sky and shouting that he was the chosen one. It seemed like he genuinely believed it and seriously expected god to come down from the heavens to praise him.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 24 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He what now

[–] MrJameGumb@lemmy.world 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Eh, that just looks like his regular stupid theatrics to me

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, remember when he thought it would be great to make fun of a disabled reporter in the 2016 campaign? That didn't hurt him, nor have the thousands of other things that would be disqualifying for anyone else.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Yep, it's absolutely insane. It has been now for 9 years. Insane.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Yes it's true that mainstream media has done a horrible job of handling his particular brand of terribleness, but it's not like the horrible things he said didn't hurt him. He lost in 2020, he's probably going to lose next month, he's lost in court multiple times, he's a convicted felon, the things he says do hurt him. But it takes a long time, of course because of bad reporting, but also because he was or is absurdly wealthy.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Been saying for a couple of years that he went past a tipping point. Not sure when I noticed, 2021 or 2022? Not being funny, but I bet he won't be able to speak in public sometime in the next 2 years.

There was a great article where experts analyzed his speech patterns and it was eye opening.

Found it!

https://www.statnews.com/2024/08/07/trump-mental-health-linguistic-analysis-suggests-potential-cognitive-decline-experts-say/

(Crud. Can't get past the paywall.)

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Alas, nevermind. :(

~~I wanted to read it, so here's the archived version. Thanks for sharing!~~

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Let him drag the entire GOP to hell with him.

[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

If you're young...

Never, never, ever let Republicans forget this is who they are. If they try to claim less government or family values ever again, the response is Donald Trump.

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Problem is he may take the USA down with him

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago

America will remain. There's a chance it'll remain as three separate countries.

This will be a VERY challenging time, if so, and the risks of Chinese loan sharks or oppressor-nation saboteurs will be very high.

But, when it's done, we'll all have two strong coastal nations, a brand new arctic province and a mexican state, and a central area for everyone to ship their lead, cobalt, and recyclables.

[–] brey1013@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh no.

[–] arefx@lemmy.ml 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Are you suggesting it's not a big deal if the usa becomes a fascist country?

[–] brey1013@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

More than it currently is or...? I'm suggesting that it is not a big deal if the USA does anything. Fascist, slightly less fascist; very few people care.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 2 months ago

Hey, you know how last time it took America, the British Empire, and the Soviet Union to beat fascism?

[–] DirkMcCallahan@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel like I've seen this headline (and slight variants) multiple times in the past few weeks. It's almost a Gish Gallop statement, because where do you begin?

It implies that he had a grip 4/8 years ago.

It implies that he ever had a grip.

It implies that his public statements are weirder now than before, when they've always been bizarre.

It implies that Donald Trump's policy positions are peculiar to him, when really he's basically reflecting what Republicans have been trying to push on us for decades.

[–] unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

No, he's never had a grip, but there's been a noticeable change since even 2016. As there was a noticeable change to 16 from ten years prior. He's just gradually declining. It means nothing for his base that they are voting for a Vance succession, apparently.

[–] ccdfa@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Just to be clear—I know it's said that this is almost a gish gallop statement—but it absolutely is not.

Since we're just talking about the headline and not the contents of the article, then this is just a statement. It's not an argument so it can't be a gish gallop. If we take the implications of the statement as premises and the headline as a conclusion, then this is just one singular argument which also means it cannot be a gish gallop. Any argument will have a number of premises. Where do you begin? At any of the premises. Demonstrating that the premises are false will show the conclusion to be false. By definition a gish gallop is a great number of arguments that overwhelm an opponent. One argument simply cannot be a gish gallop.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That happened well before his first presidential run.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

He has been mildly incoherent for a couple of decades. In the past most of his apparent dithering can be attributed to figuring out how to say something repugnant or false without becoming legally liable. As his mind decays this meandering style of speech has become untethered. He can't remember the complicated web of lies anymore. I wonder how much self awareness he truly has.

[–] goldteeth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 months ago

What, just now?