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Scheme to cast votes on stolen mail ballots thwarted by Colorado election officials. (coloradosun.com)

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[-] dhork@lemmy.world 238 points 2 years ago

They go out of their way in the article to not cast any partisan aspirations on the scheme. But it is the same county where Tina Peters used to be the county clerk, and is now in jail after being convicted of election shenanigans for Trump. And it looks like it had the complicity of at least one judge.

Watch this one, folks. The details sadly won't come out until after the election, but when they do I think we will find that Republican talk about election fraud is also projection, like all their other complaints.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 76 points 2 years ago

It's so fucking disgusting. The Republicans have 252527171 ways to try to win this, and we have 1.

Kamala needs to be perfect and Trump could walk on stage with nothing but a shit filled diaper, do the Hitler salute and somehow gain in the poles... It's infuriating.

[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 2 years ago

Harris and Trump have very different bases.

If Trump went to New York and shot a black person, his base wouldn't care whereas if Harris did, the Democrats would be in an uproar.

However, if Trump went to New York and gave people COVID shots, now his base would be fucking furious.

Both candidates are appealing to their base. It's just the Democratic base is a bunch of sane and rational people.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

I call bullshit on Trump's base not caring if he just openly shot a black person. They wouldn't ignore that, they'd love it.

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[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

And the republican base think the greatest part of America was the confederacy.

Maga indeed.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

I understand the bases. I don't understand all the people who won't vote at all.

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[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 21 points 2 years ago

republicans would NEVER

[-] yesman@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

IDK about projection, but if you convince people that a system is corrupt, they're much more likely to cheat.

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago

A little of column A; a little of column B.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

You're probably right but I don't really get it. Mesa County is so red that Trump won by 28 points in 2020. What was this person trying to achieve? For that matter, what was Tina Peters was trying to achieve? I just don't understand how either of them could have made a difference when, in 2020, Trump won by over 25K votes out of a total of 91K votes cast and 107K registered voters.

[-] Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 years ago

Perhaps they wanted it to be caught, where it wouldn't make a difference if it wasn't, in order to shore up their future claims that more of the same occurred in more competitive districts. As well as undermining faith in the election as a whole.

[-] 418_im_a_teapot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 years ago

That’s actually a very insightful theory.

But if I had to bet on it, I’d still put my money on outright stupidity.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

the county totals don't matter for president, it is counted statewide.

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[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

There are more things to vote on than just the President. State representation is important.

[-] Vorticity@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

You're right, it is. In 2020 not a single race in Mesa County was competitive. Likewise, none of the state-wide races were competitive enough to have their results changed even if everyone in Mesa County voted the same way.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 10 points 2 years ago

Every accusation is a confession

[-] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 109 points 2 years ago

“We don’t know the motive,” she said.

Really? You don't know the motive? I'd give anyone on the internet three guesses, and the first two don't count.

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 38 points 2 years ago

They were trying to, uh... outspit god for scrump. No wait, that's not it, uh... emit cod for gump? That doesn't sound right either... OH, I think I get it: they were trying to commit fraud for Trump.

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 13 points 2 years ago

I would bet the house on the motive and who they voted for.

[-] Godort@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I mean, it's true that they don't actually know the motive.

You can make a strong educated guess, and you'd probably be right, but until there is a full investigation leading to a conviction, they can't say that for sure.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 15 points 2 years ago

The motive was trying to change the outcome of the election. There are zero other possible motives.

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[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 48 points 2 years ago

Those three ballots represent 0.003% of the total ballots cast in the county in the last presidential election year.

Or put another way: 25% of the known fraudulent ballots got through.

I hope they catch the perpetrator(s) and inflict maximum justice.

[-] tyler@programming.dev 32 points 2 years ago

0% would have gotten through if the judge had done their job.

[-] EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago

appeals responsibility of the job

Am I doing it right, Georgia‽

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

With less than 100k voters in the county, there is a non-zero chance that the margin will be within 3 votes, and now this scheme has given both sides a legitimate excuse to hold up certification if the margin is close. Even if it's not within 3 votes, we know there is shady shit going on.

Now, it does look like this county is heavily Republican. But the State will probably go to Harris, so any delays might endanger the casting of CO's 10 Electoral Votes .

[-] Makeitstop@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago

Technically there's a non-zero chance of the margin being within three votes for any population of voters.

[-] gargamel@leminal.space 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

However, three ballots were counted before election officials could pull them from the process because they passed through the signature verification process. Those votes cannot be remedied or removed.

What? So the person whose ballot was stolen now has their vote cast for trump (let's be real there is a 99.99% chance it was a trumper who did this even they are being coy about it) and there is nothing they can do about it? WTF?

[-] Silentiea@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 years ago

Further down it states:

All of the voters affected by the Mesa County fraud will be offered a new ballot.

So does that mean those voters are counted twice? One fraud and one real, or...?

[-] SuperEars@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago

That's how I interpreted it, yes. The criminal(s) succeeded in getting 3 illegal votes into the count beyond retrieval. The victims of stolen ballots need not lose their votes.

[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

It could go a number of ways.

An attempt to stuff a ballot box for their preferred candidate
An attempt to invalidate voting by mail by conducting obvious fraud, then publicly blame vote by mail
An attempt to vote for an opponent to claim the opposition is conducting fraud

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Griswold said she also couldn’t discuss the “political implications” of the case, meaning whether the person or people behind the scheme had a political motivation and what candidates they voted for on the stolen ballots.

“We don’t know the motive,” she said.

Hmm, can we place bets on which party the fraudulent votes supported? And maybe taking a look at that would give a clue to the motive?

[-] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago

If they were a Democrat, we would "know the motive."

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It will be important to publicize which side is implicated ASAP - and do so clearly with an authoritative voice.

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