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[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 159 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)
[–] Etterra@lemmy.world 32 points 3 days ago

Everyone: edits text, doesn't proofread it afterwards

Everyone Else: you left an artifact in there bro.

[–] 0ops@lemm.ee 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yous ain'ts goins nowheres

You shouldn't've

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That don't sound like no proper grammar to me.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 21 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I of course make grammar mistakes and typos when messaging/commenting from my phone, but I can’t imagine creating and posting something with a mistake like this.

10-15 years ago this would have been something to ridicule and downvote, and now most people don’t even seem to care anymore.

[–] HKPiax@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago
[–] shadearg@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

Full disclosure: You'll notice an edit on my parent. I originally submitted isnt. No one is immune from the curse.

[–] egrets@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Not everyone speaks English as their first language.

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 55 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I choose to believe there is a lot more to the magic object than the truth or it's own will. It's a mirror after all, what you see depends on who stands before it. If you ask to see beauty and the reflection shows how you compare to a 14 year old, that's on you.

Then again, when have these things ever been static. Shrek's iteration has it's own will.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a magic mirror from a fairy tale. It doesn't have any set rules other than what the story teller gives it.

[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago

I know, that's what my "when have these things ever been static" was supposed to express.

[–] xylogx@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why is the perspective in the final frame taken from inside of the jail cell? Are we the viewer also in jail? Shouldn't we be viewing it behind bars from the other side? What did we the viewing audience do? Are we culpable since just by viewing this?

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago

What do you think happens when you sneak into the Queen's bedroom to watch her talking to her mirror.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

You’re in jail too because you agreed that Snow White is a fine piece of ass

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 43 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Fun fact! In the original Disney film she never says 'mirror mirror...', she says 'magic mirror...'

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 129 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Another fun fact: in Grimms fairy tales, the original story, she says mirror mirror. Also snow white was 7 when the mirror took a liking to her.

The prince also liked her corpse so much he just wanted to carry it around in it's glass coffin, but didn't want to kiss it. They drop her corpse while carrying it around and make her spit out the poisoned apple, so she revives.

"Wassup?"

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 30 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which is extra creepy when you read Neil Gaiman's (adult) version of Snow White (Snow, Glass, Apples).

[–] pimento64@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

So many things make sense now that we know he's a sex pervert.

[–] Im_old@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Wassup

Nothing much, I've had fun with your corpse for a while though so that was nice 😐

[–] state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The story that Sleeping Beauty is based on, Sun, Moon, and Talia, contains blatant rape and she's awakened by her twins sucking the poisoned crap out of her finger. The brothers Grimm already changed it to a kiss.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

TFW the Grimm's fairy tales are the sanitized ones.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 2 points 2 days ago

I told the magic mirror a thousand times, I never wanted to meet a girl in person! I just wanted a corpse. You can't disappoint a corpse! I hate you magic mirror!

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

And she says"who's the fairest of them all" not the hottest.

[–] excral@feddit.org 27 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The original German wording is "Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand: wer ist die schönste Frau in dem ganzen Land?". Literally translated that would be "Mirror, mirror on the wall: who is the most beautiful woman in all the land." I would let "hottest" slide as a more contemporary translation.

[–] wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"yo shiny shit, who's the baddest hoe around? aw yeah"

[–] roguetrick@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Being able to rhyme wall(wand) with land sounds nice. "Beautifulist of them all" to perseve the rhyme doesn't sound right so hottest is about the closest you're gonna get. That or prettiest, but I prefer hottest.

[–] HonoraryMancunian@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago

*"Who is the fairest one of all"

🤓☝️

[–] yannic@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I always thought it was a combination of both looks and personality. Maybe I was wrong.

While it's been a while since I've seen the original anything, I thought it said the queen was beautiful (and so "fair") visually, but she had a cold heart as she got older and more vain (and so was no longer "fair" in personality).

[–] selokichtli@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 days ago

Reading the comments I just realized how much I like literature nerds.

[–] ohwhatfollyisman@lemmy.world 63 points 4 days ago (2 children)

while the queen escapes punishment for emplooying child labour?

[–] lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 75 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)
[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] ScrotusMaximus@lemm.ee 5 points 2 days ago

That’s why the mirror ended up in jail: for targeting the protected class

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[–] Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 37 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The Queen and Snow might want to reconsider their foundation shade. Just sayin’…

[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 13 points 3 days ago

Lead just gives the perfect deathly white hue

[–] EarthShipTechIntern@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

And then the AI made the text in the comic.

Did AI make the whole thing?

[–] Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 51 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Probably ancient if it's a magic mirror. Also in the original story, snow white is 7 at this time, not 14.

That said, "hottest" is something this comic came up with, I'm pretty sure it's not about sexually attractiveness in the original

[–] thanks_shakey_snake@lemmy.ca 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

It's "fairest," right? So maybe the mirror just saw her doing stuff like meticulously cutting a cake into evenly-sized pieces instead of portioning out bigger ones for herself and her cronies. That'd be plausible for a 7 year old.

[–] Successful_Try543@feddit.org 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That's the English text. In the German original (Wikipedia ), it says wer ist die schönste Frau (who is the most beautiful woman):

Sneewittchen aber wuchs heran, und als es sieben Jahr alt war, war es so schön, daß es selbst die Königin an Schönheit übertraf, und als diese ihren Spiegel fragte: „Spieglein, Spieglein an der Wand: wer ist die schönste Frau in dem ganzen Land?“ sagte der Spiegel: „Frau Königin, Ihr seyd die schönste hier, aber Sneewittchen ist noch tausendmal schöner als Ihr!“ Wie die Königin den Spiegel so sprechen hörte, ward sie blaß vor Neid, und von Stund an haßte sie das Sneewittchen, und wenn sie es ansah, und gedacht, daß durch seine Schuld sie nicht mehr die schönste auf der Welt sey, kehrte sich ihr das Herz herum. Da ließ ihr der Neid keine Ruhe, und sie rief einen Jäger und sagte zu ihm: „führ das Sneewittchen hinaus in den Wald an einen weiten abgelegenen Ort, da stichs todt, und zum Wahrzeichen bring mir seine Lunge und seine Leber mit, die will ich mit Salz kochen und essen.“

But Snow White grew up, and when she was seven years old she was so beautiful that she surpassed even the Queen in beauty, and when she asked her mirror, "Mirror, mirror on the wall, who is the most beautiful woman in all the land?" the mirror said, "Madam Queen, you are the most beautiful here, but Snow White is a thousand times more beautiful than you!" When the Queen heard the mirror speak thus, she turned pale with envy, and from that hour she hated Snow White, and when she looked at her, and thought that through his fault she was no longer the fairest in the world, her heart turned round. Then her envy left her no peace, and she called a huntsman, and said to him, "Take the Snow White out into the forest to a far-off place, there she will be killed, and as a token bring me ~~his~~ [her] lungs and liver, and I will boil them with salt and eat them."

In addition, the evil queen originally is the mother of Snow White.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

fair in this context refers to paleness basically. though, it's often meant in the same way that someone today might say "she's thicc" and just mean "she's attractive" in a more general sense. fairness meant beauty to European high society at the time. aside from the obvious racial connotations, it also implies that she has spent very little time outdoors and has been free of disfiguring diseases, so high of status. it generally carries a lot of implications beyond just "white" and "clear skin". it captures everything that a European nobleman of the time would find attractive in one word.

[–] sunflowercowboy@feddit.org 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Love your explanation! The mirror from Shrek would definitely say thiccccc.

Leaving this here for modern contextualizing.

So fair skin doesn't specifically mean pale, it means skin that doesn't have defects. Bumps, pimples, scarring and other things will tarnish the complexion of skin.

In this context it's not racial, it's colorism as you explained it was a status thing. Something that exists in almost every culture, not just European.

[–] thedirtyknapkin@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago

i guess i just assumed paleness 😅. I've never looked into it properly. just read a lot of stuff in that general setting. have had a lot of context clues to build a definition around.

but yeah, it's definitely more of a status thing. just like nails. I sometimes wish people were more aware of the history and cultural implications of the trend and fashions they follow. long nails are a status symbol because the show you don't do manual labor. so i honestly get kind of annoyed when modern people with super long nails struggle to do their job because they're unknowingly trying to flex that they don't need that kind of job. but you can't very well get that context all across when trying to train someone and they get mad that they can't do a thing with their 3 inch nails. and you'd be a dickhead to try.

i hate fashion most of the time because it's like 99% all just about flexing wealth and status and creating a visual representation of hierarchy. the "experts" who follow it don't know the historical context or where these styles come from or what they actually mean until the very tippy top where it stops making sense to anyone else. those people just look at it and embrace with open arms that fashion is their way of separating themselves from the poors. the more i learn about it the more it makes me sad about the human condition.

for most cultures in most of history, sadly the common standard of beauty was largely defined by wealth. our lizard brains want a partner that can raise a child well. best advantage you can give a child is tons of money. always has been.

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