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OK, its just a deer, but the future is clear. These things are going to start kill people left and right.

How many kids is Elon going to kill before we shut him down? Whats the number of children we're going to allow Elon to murder every year?

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[–] homesnatch@lemm.ee 13 points 2 hours ago

I watched the whole video.. Mowed down like 90 deer in a row.

[–] blady_blah@lemmy.world 7 points 2 hours ago
  1. Vehicle needed lidar
  2. Vehicle should have a collision detection indicator for anomalous collisions and random mechanical problems
[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

don't most cars have proximity and collision detectors now?

[–] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Friendly reminder that tesla auto pilot is an AI training on live data. If it hasn't seen something enough times then it won't know to stop. This is how you have a tesla running full speed into an overturned semi and many, many other accidents.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

I wonder how much recognition it has on non-white people. we've seen these models not having enough people of color in their samples before.

[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 10 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

So, a kid on a bicycle or scooter is an edge case? Fuck the Muskrat and strip him of US citizenship for illegally working in the USA. Another question. WTF was the driver doing?

Filming, duh.

[–] M600@lemmy.world 3 points 3 hours ago

In regards to the deer, it looks like it might have been hard to see for the driver. I remember learning in driversED that it is better to hit the animal instead of swerving to miss it as it might hit a car to your side, so maybe that is what they were thinking?

[–] pdxfed@lemmy.world 8 points 4 hours ago

You just need to buy the North America Animal Recognition AI subscription and this wouldn't be an issue plebs, it will stop for 28 out of 139 mammals!

[–] Alpha71@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

"there was no Danger to my Chasis"

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 23 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Deer aren’t edge cases. If you are in a rural community or the suburbs, deer are a daily way of life.

As more and more of their forests are destroyed, deer are a daily part of city life. I live in the middle of a large midwestern city; in neighborhood with houses crowded together. I see deer in my lawn regularly.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 28 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

I notice nobody has commented on the fact that the driver should've reacted to the deer. It's not Tesla's responsibility to emergency brake, even if that is a feature in the system. Drivers are responsible for their vehicle's movements at the end of the day.

[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 11 points 4 hours ago

True but if Tesla keeps acting like they're on the verge of an unsupervised, steering wheel-free system...this is more evidence that they're not. I doubt we'll see a cybercab with no controls for the next 10 years if the current tech is still ignoring large, highly predictable objects in the road.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 22 points 6 hours ago

Then it's not "Full self driving". It's at best lane assistance, but I wouldn't trust that either.

Elon needs to shut the fuck up about self driving and maybe issue a full recall, because he's going to get people killed.

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 10 points 5 hours ago

That would be lovely if it wasn't called and marketed as Full Self-Driving.

You sell vaporware/incomplete functionality software and release it into the wild, then you are responsible for all the chaos it brings.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (3 children)

I hit a deer on the highway in the middle of the night going about 80mph. I smelled the failed airbag charge and proceeded to drive home without stopping. By the time I stopped, I would never have been able to find the deer. If your vehicle isn't disabled, what's the big deal about stopping?

I've stuck two deer and my car wasn't disabled either time. My daughter hit one and totaled our van. She stopped.

That said, fuck Musk.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Maybe drive a little slower at night. If you can't spot and react to animals on your path, you won't able to react when it's a human

[–] dirtbiker509@lemm.ee 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Great on paper but literally not okay to slow down to 35 mph on the freeway ... Where most wild animals are hit at night.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

Nobody is asking you to go at 35 mph. But going 60 mph instead of 80 mph means that your stopping distance will be nearly half and you will have almost twice the amount of time to react.

https://www.automotive-fleet.com/driver-care/239402/driver-care-know-your-stopping-distance

[–] dirtbiker509@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

Have you hit a deer before or almost hit them in the dark? Yes absolutely 60mph will shorten your stopping distance and reaction time but not nearly enough. Even at 35mph people hit deer all the time because they typically jump out in front. But much faster than 35mph and even standing still in the middle of the road they're tough to see and stop for. 60mph, not a chance.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

It was an expressway. There were no lights other than cars. You're not wrong, had a human sprinted at 20mph across the expressway in the dark, I'd have hit them, too. That being said, you're not supposed to swerve and I had less than a second to react from when I saw it. It was getting hit and there was nothing I could've done.

My point was more about what happened after. The deer was gone and by the time I got to the side of the road I was probably about 1/4 mile away from where I struck it. I had no flashlight to hunt around for it in the bushes and even if I did I had no way of killing it if it was still alive.

Once I confirmed my car was drivable I proceeded home and called my insurance company on the way.

The second deer I hit was in broad daylight at lunch time going about 10mph. It wasn't injured. I had some damage to my sunroof. I went to lunch and called my insurance when I was back at the office.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago

It was an expressway. There were no lights other than cars. You're not wrong, had a human sprinted at 20mph across the expressway in the dark, I'd have hit them, too. That being said, you're not supposed to swerve and I had less than a second to react from when I saw it. It was getting hit and there was nothing I could've done.

I am neither blaming you nor critiquing your actions. In fact I agree that we should not swerve. I was just making an observation that driving slightly slower in low visibility might help by giving you more time to notice an obstruction and brake while provide also providing more time for the obstruction to react and clear the road. At least very least, people might slow down enough so that the crash is no longer fatal to the person or animal being crashed into

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 15 points 5 hours ago

Whether or not a human should stop seems beside the point. Autopilot should immediately get the driver to take back control if something unexpected happens, and stop if the driver doesn't take over. Getting into an actual collision and just continuing to drive is absolutely the wrong behavior for a self-driving car.

[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 15 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

You're supposed to stop and report it so they can come and get it so no one hits it and ends up more squishy then intended.

[–] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 0 points 2 hours ago

No one was hitting it. It ran into the tall weeds (not far, I'll wager). I couldn't have found it. Had it been in the road I'd have called it in.

[–] Kbobabob@lemmy.world 22 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Is there video that actually shows it "keeps going"? The way that video loops I know I can't tell what happens immediately after.

[–] xthexder@l.sw0.com 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The driver's tweet says it kept going, but I didn't find the full video.

[–] LordKitsuna@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

Inb4 it actually stopped with hazards like I've seen in other videos. Fuck elon and fuck teslas marketing of self driving but I've seen people reach far for karma hate posts on tesla sooooooo ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 20 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

the deer is not blameless. those bastards will race you to try and cross in front of you.

[–] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 15 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Finally someone else familiar with the most deadly animal in North America.

[–] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 12 points 8 hours ago

I'd give the moose the top spot. Maybe not in sheer numbers of deaths, but I'd much rather have an encounter with a deer than a moose.

Though for sheer number, I also wouldn't give that to deer, that spot would go to humans, though I can admit it's a bit pedantic.

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