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Cross-posted from "Arnold Schwarzenegger endorses Kamala Harris: ‘I will always be an American before I am a Republican’" by @Powderhorn@beehaw.org in !politics@beehaw.org


“I will always be an American before I am a Republican,” he wrote. “That’s why, this week, I am voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. I’m sharing it with all of you because I think there are a lot of you who feel like I do. You don’t recognise our country. And you are right to be furious.”

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[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 318 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (12 children)

Let me be honest with you: I don’t like either party right now. My Republicans have forgotten the beauty of the free market, driven up deficits, and rejected election results. Democrats aren’t any better at dealing with deficits, and I worry about their local policies hurting our cities with increased crime.

Spoken like a true republican.

Democratic administrations are better with the economy than republican administrations in virtually every case for the last 75 years. Plus, don't forget that Clinton not only balanced the budget during his term, he left office with a projected budget surplus that Gee Dubya threw away with his tax cuts for the rich and unfunded wars.

As for crime, crime rates have been steadily dropping for decades and continued to drop under the Biden administration. In fact, violent crime rates are near a 50-year low!

[–] False@lemmy.world 199 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Spoken like a true republican.

I'll take that over whatever MAGA is.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 127 points 1 month ago (1 children)

MAGA is fascism, full stop. That’s not just my opinion – if you can read this list with honesty and not conclude they’re fascists, you’re lying to yourself:

  1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
  2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
  3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
  4. Supremacy of the Military
  5. Rampant Sexism
  6. Controlled Mass Media
  7. Obsession with National Security
  8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
  9. Corporate Power is Protected
  10. Labor Power is Suppressed
  11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
  12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
  13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
  14. Fraudulent Elections (or claims thereof)

It’s outright fascism. That is not hyperbole. And fascism is always a suicide cult. It destroys everything it touches, including itself.

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago (4 children)

7. Obsession with National Security

I think they've quietly dropped this one, since they don't seem to mind Trump being owned by a Russian dictator, his son-in-law getting two billion dollars from the Saudis, or Trump stealing classified documents and casually leaving them lying around for foreign agents to help themselves to.

[–] LillyPip@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Once he’s back in office, though, this will be one of their main foci again. They’ll go all in on Patriot Act II, barring all foreign entry on the grounds of national security. They basically say that now, just with different words. No more asylum seekers, no more immigrants (which will crash the economy, and they’ll somehow blame that on immigrants, too).

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[–] FunderPants@lemmy.ca 38 points 1 month ago (3 children)

MAGA is just another level of republican. Like in dragonball, MAGA is nearly the final form, but the final form is fascism.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

I disagree, but only because I equate MAGA and facism. They look exactly the same to me, MAGA just hasn't had the opportunity to exercise their fascist views in full.

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[–] ptz@dubvee.org 116 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

Spoken like a true republican.

That aside (I'm not arguing or disagreeing on that point): he is putting country over party which is something very, very few Republicans are capable of doing and even fewer are actually doing. On that alone, I can throw him some respect.

[–] classic@fedia.io 79 points 1 month ago (2 children)

And he is speaking language that will make voting for Harris more palatable to at least some Republicans

[–] Signtist@lemm.ee 40 points 1 month ago

This is the biggest thing. If he were to actually tell the full truth here, he'd be less successful in getting his message across to the people who listen to him. Full truth is the ultimate goal, but we're so far from it that for half the country it's an impossibly huge leap to go from where they are now to the truth in one bound.

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

This is a very good point. That line of my post above was a visceral reaction to the whole both-sides are the same argument he's using, but as you say, whatever it takes to get people to feel okay about vote=ing for Harris is worth it.

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[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 60 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meh. I'd happily return to the ideological difference of the 90s / 2000s where maybe some facts don't support beliefs. But we're in a very different ballgame now.

And the fact that he's endorsing Harris instead of just saying don't vote for Trump is commendable. Many of my Republican friends that reject Trump can't stomach voting for Harris. It's apparently a very big bridge to cross for them.

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[–] RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 32 points 1 month ago

At least he's never put on a red hat, or in any way spoken in favor of the blond antichrist. That's at least something.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 25 points 1 month ago

Frankly it's the kind of endorsement that is more helpful. If a moderate Republican retains the rhetoric but otherwise rejects Trump, well that might sway moderate Republican voters. If he declared the entire party was mistaken, well he loses those folks and only appeals to the folks that were already in the Harris column.

A republican saying that the Democrats are still bad, but Trump is uniquely worse and has lead the Republican leadership to lose its way, that might appeal to some people that thought to vote r no matter what, even if they had doubts about Trump.

[–] Carmakazi@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago

I'll throw in with the other replies. Everything in this comment is political discourse from 2006. Disagreeing with the opposition's policy and at most suggesting that they're dishonest about it.

Right now we're worried about the GOP and their figurehead bringing about one-party rule and loosing the military on their domestic opposition.

I'd want to wind the clock back too, even if it means having to eye roll at conservative rhetoric like this now and then.

[–] lightrush@lemmy.ca 20 points 1 month ago

This is one of those situations when you just nod and take the endorsement.

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Your guilty conscience may force you to vote Democratic, but deep down inside you secretly long for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule you like a king!"

[–] ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

he left office with a projected budget surplus

It wasn't a projected surplus, it was an actual surplus for his final two years. I suppose you could say it was also a projected surplus, but Bush II and Dick "Reagan Proved Deficits Don't Matter" Cheney took care of that right quick.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 158 points 1 month ago (1 children)

See that’s an immigrant who actually embraced the culture he moved to glares at elon

[–] SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would pay a lot of money to see Arnold beat up Elon in a cage match. Despite the age gap, it wont even be close.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Heh, I would've paid to watch Zuck beat his ass, but he chickened out of that one.

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[–] ViperActual@sh.itjust.works 101 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I truly wish we had more politicians that behave in this manner. It should never boil down to my political party versus yours. There shouldn't be any sides to governing this country.

[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 48 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't you miss the days where presidentak candidates stood up for each other .... When GOP McCain defended Obama against outlandish rumors he was a secret Muslim. Seems like those days are long gone.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 37 points 1 month ago (3 children)

That's because none of the candidates were Russian assets.

In this election it's almost as if all of them are Russian assets except one.

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[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think people should behave in this manner and we would live in a better world.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 70 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Noice. Call Arnold whatever you want, he's no MAGA ass-kisser.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 57 points 1 month ago (2 children)

He's an interesting character. I don't agree with a lot of his ideas but they feel like they come from a genuinely altruistic place. The antithesis of maga.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Seriously, he’s another Republican I’d trust to actually want to do the right thing even if I disagree on how.

Interesting parallel to us in Massachusetts with Romney. A blue state electing a Republican governor and generally being happy with it. Also you wouldn’t expect much from an actor or vulture capitalist, but they deliver

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 11 points 1 month ago

When he says something its honest as opposed to the majority of republicans just project their intentions on their enemies. The important thing here is their idea anyone who doesn't agree with them is a enemy.

[–] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

In one corner, Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In the other corner, Hulk Hogan.

What year is it?

[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I figure the Schwarz could take hogan and gibson at the same time.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With a one-liner for each.

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[–] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 66 points 1 month ago

He did some dumb god damn shit in California back in the day, and he's doing the obviously right thing now that things are so different. We gather every partial win and stand together against the limpdicks.

Vote.

[–] Not_mikey@slrpnk.net 61 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the type of republican endorsement Harris should be touting. His politics may be shit but at least he's got broad popularity across the aisle , unlike Cheney and the five delusional people who still think his opinion is worth considering.

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I actually think the opposite shows more.

"The orange idiot calls me a communist, but even these pieces of shit are voting for me over him."

I think too many people are confusing am endorsement by a piece of shit and supporting that piece of shit, like Cheney's endorsement somehow will mean Harris agrees with him.

All it means is a massive turd is saying "Don't vote for the diaper full of massive fascsist turds".

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (13 children)

Let it sink in:

Angela Davis - an avowed Marxist-Leninist- and Dick-fucking-Cheney both agree Kamala is the way to go.

How the hell is this election even close?

(And we can add Liz Cheney to that. She and her dad are both neo-con warmongers.)

Edit: any one have a good punchline to “Dick Cheney and Angela Davis walk into a bar….”?

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 1 month ago

It boggles the mind. I can't understand ~30% of the population apparently.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 47 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

“Increased crime”? C’mon, isn’t crime down? Don’t fall for that old white man bogeyman, Arnold.

[–] genuineparts@infosec.pub 36 points 1 month ago

He still is republican.

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[–] negativenull@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Sorry, I'll see myself out.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Finally some decent from Arnold.

Dude has been silent afaik.

[–] theangryseal@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago (6 children)

I knew what he’d say though. He’s made it clear through his actions what he wants.

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