Deception : memes

[+] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 35 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

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[-] knightly@pawb.social 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

"Thoughts and Prayers"

Seems a fitting epitaph for America.

[-] Linktank@lemmy.today 33 points 2 years ago

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Go ahead then. Explain the difference without making shit up.

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 18 points 2 years ago

I guess the Israeli far right preferred Trump for no reason.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 8 points 2 years ago

Notice how you didn't actually give a reason?

[-] Midnitte@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Do you really need me to Google for you why the Golan Heights president is likely a worse outcome for the citizens of Gaza?

Fine, how about his commitment to arm Israel with no strings attached? No humanitarian aid, no cease fires...

Anyone who thinks the Muslim-ban president is a good outcome for Gaza only cares about the real estate value of Gaza.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 years ago

how about his commitment to arm Israel with no strings attached? No humanitarian aid, no cease fires...

Oh you mean exactly like right now?

Anyone who thinks that orange man is an improvement is an idiot. But anyone who thinks Kamala would be better is also an idiot.

Israel is already getting everything they could ever wish for. There is nothing that Trump could offer that they're not already getting, including protection from the international community.

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[-] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Why wouldn't they? You made yourself fascists by chasing him but that doesn't change the fact that he was there before you. Of course they prefer him. Just like the American fascist voters you failed to swing.

Being a loser doesn't absolve you.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

The AIPAC donations in the primary went to Nikki Hailey. Trump started receiving his cheques after he defeated her.

Is he in their pocket now? Of course. But he was not their preferred pick.

[-] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 4 points 2 years ago

One mostly exports the genocide to the third world

The other wants to bring it home.

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[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 16 points 2 years ago

This is called False Equivalency.

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 years ago

"Voting for Harris won't change this foreign atrocity!"

Foreign atrocity remains unchanged, but now you've got domestic atrocities.

"See! I'm helping!"

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[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 13 points 2 years ago

I don't get it. Are you happy Trump won, or...?

[-] OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

No, but I'm still disgusted by the amount of gaslighting we got for the last 8 months. All Harris had to do was make a plan to end the war, but she.. didn't. And some liberals want to call it our (people who didn't vote for her) fault.

[-] los_chill@programming.dev 27 points 2 years ago

More Palestinians will die under Trump. More Americans will suffer under Trump. More people around the world will suffer with a Trump presidency. But at least you showed the democrats...

[-] tobogganablaze@lemmus.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

More Americans will suffer under Trump. More people around the world will suffer with a Trump presidency. But at least you showed the democrats…

It's almost like the tankies just want what's bad for America and don't actually care about palestine or human rights.

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[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago

What will trump do to cause more Palestinian deaths?
What COULD he do?

Israel is already getting everything they wanted, and facing zero consequences or obstacles.

I don't disagree with you wrt American deaths, but that's not what this post is about

[-] Skydancer@pawb.social 6 points 2 years ago

Granted, Biden did almost nothing to slow it down, and kept Israel well supplied with the weapons of genocide. Do you really think it's a coincidence that Netanyahu waited until the day after the election to announce that Palestinians won't be allowed to return to northern Gaza though?

Granted, that was almost certainly the plan all along, but now even the fig leaf is gone. Without the need to devote any thought at all to political cover, Israel will stop even pretending to internal investigations of accusations against their own soldiers and redeploy those resources to the battlefield.

The number of Palestinian deaths may not be different, but they'll die even sooner.

[-] linkerbaan@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

The Generals plan is in full full force. Netanyahu has already fully cleansed north Gaza.

JOE BIDEN IS STILL THE PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW.

[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 years ago

There was never a fig leaf. They already didn't need to devote any attention to political cover, the USA already made it clear that it wouldn't tolerate holding Israel or any of the Israeli politicians accountable in international courts.

The difference between the two is purely in wording and absolutely immaterial. If anything, trump is being more honest about it.

Trump is terrible for other reasons, but they're both equal in this matter

[-] Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works 14 points 2 years ago

So, it was worth Trump getting a second term in order for you to maintain your moral purity?

Listen, fuck Harris and every other Dem who failed to condemn the war in Gaza, they all deserve to burn in hell for that.

But did you really get what you wanted out of this?

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 8 points 2 years ago

Exactly. It was a douche and a turd sandwich. Refusing to vote because "they're a turd sandwich" is simply saying "I'm okay with the douche". It's a 2 party system. There are no good candidates. Only one that's marginally better than the other. Not voting is tacitly voting for the worst one.

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[-] Achyu@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Not a USAmerican, but by that logic:
Are Kamala, her party and her supporters who couldn't get those people to vote for Kamala also responsible for the increased suffering?

Are they responsible for the people not being convinced that the suffering would be lesser under Kamala?

Did Kamala and party show significant effort and good faith to woo those people?
Or was it the 99% Hitler vs 100% Hitler thing? Asking since most online discourse I saw on it here in lemmy was like that, where they're saying Trump would be worse, instead of saying that Kamala would be better, de-escalate stuff etc.

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[-] PeriodicallyPedantic@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 years ago

Increased suffering?
How can their suffering be increased more than it is now?

Israel is already getting everything could have ever wished for. There is nothing trump could do to make that worse.

There were other reasons to vote for Harris, but this wasn't one.

[-] normal_user@lemmy.one 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Edit: looks like I replied under the wrong comment. Sorry about that. :)

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[-] wildtamaskan@pawb.social 8 points 2 years ago

How did you think this election was gonna go? You think there was still gonna be enough votes for Harris? Or that by some miracle a 3rd party candidate was gonna be elected?

People with your mindset are just as guilty as the dems are. No weasling out of this shitpile were now stuck in

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 7 points 2 years ago

For my part, I'm not sure it is, though lack of votes didn't help. The meme is perhaps meanspirited so soon after the painful news, but here's my question, and this is genuine: now what?

Trump will get to pick a bunch of lower federal judges and probably two more SCOTUS judges. What's the way out when it seems to me that he and his jackals control the military, the police, and the judiciary? Seems like a hopeless setup to me.

Harris lost, so what's Step 2?

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[-] BluJay320@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago

It is your fault.

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[-] linkerbaan@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Am I happy I was right when I told Blue MAGA they should stop running a campaign on Genocide and was banned from LemmyWorld?

No.

Was I right?

Yes.

Your takeaway should be to start ignoring the Blue MAGA cult who tell you to stick your head in the sand while Holocaust Harris is speaking. Criticize them and make them so unpopular that they run another candidate who is not Bidolf.

[-] Telorand@reddthat.com 4 points 2 years ago

Alright. Well, gotta deal with the pain of having a criminal conman for a president on our individual ways, I suppose.

I'm not really interested in criticizing people, myself. You can do what you like and convince people to join you in whatever way you deem fit, but in my experience, they tend to shut down and stop listening (maybe it's my delivery). I'd much rather show them there's hope elsewhere, especially because right now, that's what a lot of people want. Honey vs. vinegar, and all that.

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[-] Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago

“Unlike Kamala, I will support Israel's right to win its war on terror. They have to win! And instead of pandering to the Jihad sympathizers and America-hating radicals, we will deport them.”

D. Trump, verbatim, on Nov 6th.

But yeah no, this will definitely improve things.

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