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Vivek Ramaswamy, recently appointed to lead the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE), has proposed defunding federal programs that lack current congressional authorization.

This could affect programs like veterans’ healthcare, NASA, and early education initiatives, which still receive funding despite expired authorizations.

Ramaswamy argues that cutting these programs could save billions, and he’s committed to targeting expenditures that “don’t advance the interests of American citizens.”

DOGE, co-led by Elon Musk, aims to curb government spending, with Musk estimating potential cuts of up to $2 trillion.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 63 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Do it. Cut tricare too. I don’t want those things gone, but holy hell yes please eliminate the willingness of the military to aid you against the constitution. Defund barrack improvements and force married troops to bring their spouses into the barracks while you’re at it.

Crash and burn and let us rebuild America with an understanding it wasn’t immigrants or trans people that did this, it was rich people and fascists.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 12 points 6 days ago

As a former military child, I largely agree with cutting tricare. It's pretty good, and military people take for granted that they get socialized Healthcare but not the rest of us. Yeah, "serving the country" and all that, but most military personnel aren't doing anything that anyone else isn't doing. Most military personnel are not in combat roles. Everyone should be treated well because everyone benefits the nation. Take away the socialized healthcare of the military and vets and maybe we'll get socialized healthcare in general.

I doubt this will work, but it'll at least force military people to come to terms with the fact they have socialized healthcare and how well it works. My dad at least used to argue with me whenever I called it that. I'm not sure if he still thinks it isn't true. I'm sure other people haven't even considered that that's what it is.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 41 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Elon musk being like "all that money we're spending on vets could be going into my pockets."

[–] jas0n@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

The status quo is just a lot more visible, now.

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 55 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Any woman or veteran or union worker who voted for Trump is going to have a serious case of buyers remorse. I am none of those things but still voted for Harris because it seemed like the responsible thing to do, lesser of two evils. Way lesser it seems.

[–] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago

The leopards are eating our faces!!

[–] aceshigh@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Buyers remorse or will they blame someone else?

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

They'll blame democrats like always

[–] lost_faith@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Well, the democrats didn't do enough to differentiate themselves from Trump. This is the result 🥄 /s

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[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 39 points 6 days ago (3 children)

This will piss off every single veteran, active service member, and their relatives. I don't just want this shit to fail, I want people to remember just how little fucks these people give about anyone other than themselves.

[–] _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 24 points 6 days ago

Republicans have been cutting vet benefits for years, and it hasn’t stopped them from voting red yet.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I want to see these fucks do this then ask for the military to keep them in office when they violate the constitution

[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 1 points 3 days ago

I kinda have lost faith in most of humanity. At this point I think they will follow orders without question while fully knowing that they will be thrown aside like a moldy bag of garbage as soon as their usefulness is done.

[–] el_bhm@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

If you hear back well they did not realize... you answer with yes, this is how little they care

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Remember when if you didn't "support our troops," Republicans would ask you why you hated America?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 11 points 6 days ago

The right wing has never supported veterans

[–] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 7 points 6 days ago (2 children)

At best, "support our troops" was a version of that dumbass magical thinking that, in earlier times, held that the U.S. lost in Vietnam because Americans didn't clap for Tinkerbell, err, I mean, support the war. Mostly, it was a thought-terminating cliché.

Yeah, as you rightly point out, it was never about the soldiers themselves.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 6 points 6 days ago

"Lost in Vietnam"? Oh, no, they were saying much worse than that. It used to be that if you suggested the US lost Vietnam that you were "insulting the bravery of the troops" or some shit like that. It was only after the War on Terror became unpopular that you could say the US lost Vietnam (because, you know, it did) without some jackass wingnut bringing out the faux patriotism.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I learned the ugly truth of that way back in 1990 when I was still in Middle School and Bush Sr. sent Americans to die for oil in Iraq and all of his fans in my town were tying yellow ribbons around the trees in their yard to "support the troops" being sent to die pointlessly.

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[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is amazing. Good. Fuck the troops. Let's see you garrison your military bases in every other country in the world, losers. You can't even meet recruiting goals now!

[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 27 points 6 days ago

Save billions on essentials while spending trillions in bullshit.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 6 days ago (3 children)

“This bloated liberal socialist program is inefficient and doesn’t work. Because it’s liberal and socialist. So we’re going to get rid of it. We’re planing to plan a replacement plan, but we haven’t planned on when to plan it. But we’ll blame the libs for that too, even though we have essentially captured all branches of the government at this point.”

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

They’ve learned their lesson from 4 years of failure to repeal and replace Obamacare. “Replacing was hard and expensive and anything that addresses people’s concerns or doesn’t ensure failure to re-elect was to the left of this, so we’ve decided to just repeal and not replace. Get over it loser.”

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[–] thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Part of me, as an outsider looking in with abject horror, wants to see this happen just because I still hold out hope that it might finally wake up a not-insignificant part of rural and rust-belt America that live off these benefits (or ‘handouts’ according to the GOP) out of their political stupor.

But on the other hand, I know that once it’s gone, it’s very unlikely to be brought back in the immediate future by the current crop of Dems, who seemingly would rather keep dangling it as a carrot (along with restoring ablation access) in order to entice voter turnout.

[–] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

If it’s gone it’s gone. Those people in rural America who live off handouts and vote R can live with the long term consequences. The only way you will see a change is if they are no longer insulated from the consequences of their actions. Fox ~~News~~ Propaganda is going to be spinning itself in circles to justify why their “gubment program” was ended under Trump.

Perhaps they will vote blue in the future and we will have enough of a majority that more liberal policies can be enacted.

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[–] uis@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Then do universal healthcare, right? Right?

[–] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Universally leave you to die if you don't pay, sure.

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[–] pyre@lemmy.world 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

they just want Russia to be the top superpower

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[–] nifty@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Shameless, veterans risk their lives for their country, the least the govt can do is give them healthcare

[–] pachrist@lemmy.world 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Unfortunately for veterans, they aren't risking their lives for their country. They're risking their lives for the special interests of corporate oligarchs who couldn't care less about them.

[–] nifty@lemmy.world 6 points 6 days ago

I know but that’s a hard sell for poor young recruits, if they knew this more they’d charge like mercenaries

[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

How is veteran healthcare unauthorized?

[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 18 points 6 days ago (8 children)

It was authorized, but it had an expiration date. Now it's something that we just take for granted so much we never even thought about having to re-authorize it.

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Not for millenia would I have realized that Department of Government Efficiency stood for DoGE. What a funny little boy Elon is.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 6 days ago

FWIW, this breaks from the Two Santas Strategy. This Santa is suppose to be funding things conservatives want, while at the same time reducing taxes (on the rich), thereby driving the deficit up without making their voters mad. If you actually cut funding for a bunch of stuff people rely on, you will earn the ire of the voters, that's why no one ever does it.

Yeah, there will be a core of people who will defend Trump and Musk to their self-inflicted death, but those people are in the minority. Most Americans (and most people in the world) voted against the incumbent this year because they were unfortunately there during a time of inevitable inflation. And they'll do it again if their lives continue to get materially worse over the next few years.

I can't help but wonder how we would be sitting right now if Trump had won in 2020. But we're due for a generational crisis, and I don't think that wouldn't have been nearly as exciting.

[–] mo_lave@reddthat.com 5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Optics of cutting the programs aside, it's criminal that beneficial programs like these don't get re-authorized.

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