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[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 104 points 6 days ago (24 children)

If you live in Europe and think your democratic system is resistant to these things: it's not.

Don't wait until your version of Trump gets elected. Start organizing now.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Italy elected Berlusconi (a corrupted tycoon who had ties with the mafia and bribed his way to the top of the Italian broadcasting world) in 1994. Y'all just catching up.

[–] ProteanG6777@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Rest in poop?

[–] oktoberpaard@feddit.nl 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Absolutely, over here we’ve recently elected a horrible party as the biggest one, with 25% of the votes. Dark times.

The difference is that in many European countries the head of state is more of a ceremonial position (at least in practice) and the head of the government holds nowhere near the amount of power a US president does. With proportional representation, the biggest party often doesn’t have an absolute majority and needs to form a government together with other parties, or might even end up in the opposition. Together they agree on who’s going to be the head of government (usually the head of the largest party), who will be the ministers and what will be the policy. If it doesn’t work out because of disagreements, the government breaks up and new elections will be held.

My point is: the risk is real, populism is growing, policy is shifting, but the dynamics are different. Having a first past the post system and concentrating so much power into a single political position feels like an accelerator.

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't wait until your version of Trump gets elected. Start organizing now.

No worries, he already has been elected last year!

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dick Schoof (yes, English speakers, that really is his legal name) is our Trump?

I'd say Geert Wilders matches that description, and he did not become PM...

[–] EddoWagt@feddit.nl 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Dick Schoof didn't get elected though, at least not by the people... Wilders was

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 1 points 3 days ago

Correction: Wilders received the most votes from the people, but could not become PM as his party needed to form coalitions to gain enough seats. Essentially, he did not get elected PM because most others did not want to work together with him.

Was our parliament filled with lunatics vehemently agreeing with him, we'd have Wilders as PM.

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[–] WatDabney@sopuli.xyz 84 points 6 days ago

This is fascism 101.

Fascism is at least as much an economic system as a political one, or more precisely, it's more like an economic system hiding behind a political system.

And the way the economic system works is very simple - private ownership of the means of production combined with an overt and institutionalized revolving door between business and government, so that the end result is plutocratic oligarchy.

Basically, it's taking the system that already existed in the US, by which the wealthy bought access to political power mostly surreptitiously and nominally illegally unless they followed specific restrictions, and legitimizes and formalizes and institutionalizes it and moves it right out into the open.

And behind all of the white supremacist and christian nationalist and reactionary conservative rhetoric, this was always the real goal.

[–] pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 60 points 6 days ago (2 children)

If the numbers are true it costed him less than 0.1% of his wealth which is surprising how little it takes. Would you spend 0.1% of your wealth to elect a President and gain a government post that will bring you more wealth? Would you spend 1% of your wealth to become insanely rich? 10%?

In the society where power is measured by wealth ultra rich should not exist. Or better such society should not exist.

Also Musk wasn't even the biggest donor. And Harris was okay with this whole thing, she also received enormous donations. Who was against ultra rich? Bernie Sanders. No wonder he was sacked despite popular support.

No I wouldnt spend 1 percent of my wealth to become insanely rich. Mostly cause that implies corruption and I aint nearly as bad as my kin though I have far more homicidal tendencies.

[–] ProteanG6777@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 4 days ago

nah, I like the Bannana man's method better. reference- Bannana man in honduras

[–] franklin@lemmy.world 29 points 6 days ago

What an absolute treasure Robert and Sam Reich are.

[–] deadbeef79000 30 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Speedrunning the decline and fall of the Roman empire.

[–] NounsAndWords@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago

We're already speedrunning climate-based societal collapse, so there's not really much time to slow walk these things.

[–] running_ragged@lemmy.world 25 points 6 days ago

He also spent 44 billion buying twitter to disrupt and control the conversations happening there as part of his efforts, and now the the government essentially has a data mining tool and propaganda machine without actually 'owning' it.

[–] DontRedditMyLemmy@lemmy.world 21 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Plus late stage capitalism.

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[–] Seeders@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Now look how much money Kamala received to "buy" the election.

The Biden—now Harris—campaign committee raised $997.2 million and Trump’s campaign committee raised $388 million in total between Jan. 2023 and Oct. 16, 2024

woops

[–] Kilometers_OBrien@startrek.website 19 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Any of those 2a weirdos gonna show us what 2a is for or not?

I see a lot of domestic enemies around and suddenly the obese, insanely loud dipshits aren't making a peep.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

No, they love the boot on their face, as long as someone they hate also has a boot on their face.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

To be fair, a couple of them already tried.

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[–] Seeders@sh.itjust.works 9 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I wish I had a schilling

for every senseless killing

I'd buy a government

America's for sale

And you can get a good deal on it

And make a healthy profit

Or maybe tear it apart

Start with assumption

That a million people are smart

Smarter than one

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Turns out it really is all a big club and we didn't get invited.

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 9 points 6 days ago

Carlin had it right 30 years ago

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

yes for him the USA is just a high return investment and livelihoods of the US citizens are just expandibles.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] bdonvr@thelemmy.club 9 points 6 days ago

Just capitalism taken to the logical conclusion. This term implies there's some form of capitalism in which this doesn't happen. There is not.

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