Oof. They might be doing this to throw oil on the fire.
this post was submitted on 20 Nov 2024
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Lemmy.ml users incoming to tell me how that's actually the EU's fault
EU dresses up so slutty I just had to act.
They should hold that boat indefinitely and close the gap in Kattegat for all Russian vessels.
And Chinese, NorK (are there any?) vessels
They seem to have a decent fleet of fishing vessels, but all their foreign trade on water seems to be with China, via The Yellow Sea
ever since i started using lemmy all I've heard is bad things about that instance so I don't understand why we don't just defederate from them? This is a genuine question to anyone with the answer, thanks!
I started there. It's tiring when every international political discussion boils done to China/Russia good because NATO bad. .ml is subtle about it and does a lot of word game shit you see in right wing media. They maintain enough plausible deniability to remain federated. The defederate instances were the one using slurs.
Yes, they are more subtle in parroting propaganda, but they block everyone who is only slightly critical of China/Russia. They are the same people.
@ashley0_0@lemmy.blahaj.zone This puzzles me, too. That instance is a cheap propaganda instance that has been banned by Reddit some time ago for a good reason. I don't know why we don't defederate.
It's the instance admined by the authors of Lemmy itself. The official forum is !lemmy@lemmy.ml. It's a bit disingenuous to ask to defederate from them, unless we want the already tense relationship with the authors of the software to break entirely.
Well Lemmy is open source, isn't it? So someone could just make a fork of it, can't they?
Of course they could but that's not free. Forked projects are a lot of work. Maybe it would be easier to go for a different software, such as kbin. Or maybe the defederation goes over just fine and arrangements are found easily. I don't know. My point is there's a social component to defederating that's likely a bit bigger than just shutting out Russia/China enjoyers.
I feel used to the internet being full of stupid nonsense, so I just ignore .ml's share, and in a way it's a refreshing balance to the usual genre from e.g. .world and Reddit. Usually it's either run-of-the-mill echo chamber or respectful discussion.
But there's lots of good stuff on .ml too. I'm glad to still be federated.
Itβs just a ridiculous trope, a preemptive threat against posting a non-mainstream stance.
Wasn't .ml the second largest instance at one point?
Oh no... Russia has dragged China in WW3, hasn't it?
I've been thinking one of the motivations for the invasion of Ukraine was to secure a larger food supply to keep China fed through an all out trade war. Them shutting down exports to the west might be enough to destabilize things sufficiently to change the world order once the dust settles. Especially if combined with the invasion/destruction of Taiwan.
China did this same shit well before Russia brought them into the war.
Where?
There was a pipeline damaged last year under circumstances that seemed to be challenging to rule as accidental. China claimed responsibility, but claimed it wasn't intentional, but it seems they ignored all communication attempts made to the ship and that the amount of time they dragged anchor along the seabed would have been impossible to not notice.
Being that was after the war started, I wouldn't list that as anything other than a possible attempt to cause gas shortages and economic damages to Ukrianes support.
I'm inclined to agree. Both events seem to involve too many coincidences for it to be unintentional. I have no idea how they would prove this, and moreso what the official response would be.
I'd be very curious to see a video or write-up of how the investigation is done and if there is any deep sea forensics work.
Yeah it would be hard to prove it wasn't just an idiot dragging many thousands of pounds behind them. But at 60-70 meters deep is deeper (but not unheard of) of a depth for a ship to lay anchor.
For them to then start going again while dragging the anchor and not realize the ship is moving incorrectly for a long distance seems impossible.
This particular instance is sounding more malicious as it seems they have the same ship at the right location to have caused the damage on 2 occasions now. I haven't gotten to read any updates since they were pinning down the ship's location data yesterday to see if they've found even more showing this was intentional.
We have had recentish events though where we have had extreme disruption caused by ships with the Ever Given in the Suez and the Dali collapsing the bridge to the Baltimore ports due to human error. The Baltimore incident has a nice write up on the investigation, going through the ship maintenance, questioning different people, and going through the ships's black box data.
Thank you. This is news to me. I just hope there were repercussions because such an "oopsie" should still lead to having to pay for the damages done.
I haven't found anything past the August updates I linked. Someone more local might be able to chime in if there're some non-English updates out there that I can't find.
I can't imagine it's quick or easy to do repairs in the middle of the sea. π§
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