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    Windows VS Linux (lemmy.world)
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    [–] needthosepylons@lemmy.world 1 points 10 minutes ago

    All these threads make me want to take the leap to Linux. My work laptop runs on Mint, but as for my home pc.. guess I'll still have to wait for more Proton development/compatibility. Last time I checked, part of the games I want to play soon (Remnant 2, Supervive, Legion TD 2, Morimens, Sengoku Dynasty, Ravenswatch and a few others) seem to seem to imply a little more experimentation than I'd like.

    Don't get me wrong, as a modder of obscure Chinese games and at work, I'm all for experimenting. But for the 1h per day I can play, I'll wait until I'm quite sure I won't spend it tinkering around to get my current games to work.

    But I sure hope it will be sooner than later!

    [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

    Mac users:

    [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    Well Mac users do too... Well they don't... but someone does.

    I was that someone for some family members. I felt icky the whole time.

    [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    I once upgraded a girl's parents' computer to System 8 and didn't realize it wasn't supported. Fucked up the BIOS (or whatever Macs used back then) and they had to ship it back to Apple to get fixed. I did not hear from her again.

    But I haven't actually installed Mac OS since about Puma. New operating systems just come down in the normal software update. But I still cherish my OS X Beta DVD.

    [–] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 4 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

    A couple months ago my sister bricked her mac somehow... it wouldn't boot past the stupid white screen with a ? on it.

    Had to edit random shit on the built in installer to get it to talk to apple correctly and pull the correct OS image to fix itself. It was a full OS install/recovery.

    Easy enough because I understand linux/unix and underneath that's all it is... but mac users are just stupidly lost... And to get to some of those tools, because they're so buried underneath the "MAC experience"... it's a pain in the ass too.

    I can't be bothered to remember what version it was... I hate touching maps. I only did that one cause it was my sister.

    [–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

    Easy enough because I understand linux/unix and underneath that’s all it is… but mac users are just stupidly lost… And to get to some of those tools, because they’re so buried underneath the “MAC experience”… it’s a pain in the ass too.

    As a Mac user since System 1.0 with over 20 years of experience using Linux for Fortune 500 companies and major government agencies: Most people are stupidly lost, regardless of the OS they're using.

    [–] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 3 points 52 minutes ago

    difficulity

    The difficulity of spelling difficulity is very difficulit.

    [–] RGB@lemmy.today 1 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

    Debloated windows is very easy. Installs super fast and I don't even have to be there to push any buttons.

    [–] answersplease77@lemmy.world 1 points 20 minutes ago

    try disabling/removing edges, then good luck installing any updates after that

    [–] Grass@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 hour ago

    post windows 7/early 10 versions, I would place it harder than arch. I had to go through a bunch of shit to get my mobo mount nvme drives to show up, then came the cursed hell of just clicking through all the setup questions where they make it sound like you have a choice, but you don't unless you do the custom install image bullshit aka the harder windows install on the chart.

    [–] 299792458ms@lemmy.zip 1 points 59 minutes ago

    Hobbyist here, in my opinion reading the manual or the wiki is easy, understanding it quickly is not. You can obvioulsy follow the instructions blindly and still succeed.

    For the most part is very comprehensive but sometimes you are left alone to connect the dots which is very daunting when instructions get technical and you do not understand them.

    In the end it felt like one of those half semester courses Universities try to cram in.

    [–] Petter1@lemm.ee 2 points 1 hour ago

    I‘d place archinstall lower than mint 🤭

    [–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

    You can install the enterprise iot version or running chris titus's debloat script. But if you do this, you're technically savvy enough to use Linux and really want to/have to stay on Windows.

    [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 hour ago

    Just because you can use Linux doesn't always mean you want to use Linux.

    [–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 0 points 49 minutes ago* (last edited 49 minutes ago)

    I suppose its all relative, but I didn't find debloated windows to be much worse than anything else. I used microwin though, is that a different experience?

    [–] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 34 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.

    [–] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 57 minutes ago

    You don't think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn't that old in the grand scheme of things, and there's plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.

    I'd almost be willing to bet that there are more people who've installed Windows on their PC than there are people who've installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.

    [–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 hour ago

    The latter usually have someone to install it for them.

    [–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 hours ago

    1000017289 Installing gentoo

    [–] Peasley@lemmy.world 75 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.

    The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.

    I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.

    [–] twinnie@feddit.uk 1 points 20 minutes ago

    I had to install Windows 11 on something a few weeks ago so I decided to do it without an account, it was nowhere near as difficult to do it as this sub would lead you to believe. Pressed a key combination to load up the command prompt then typed in a relatively short command. The GUI restarted and that was it.

    [–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 46 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

    No excuse though. Try the "install as oem" of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click "Prepare for shipping to end user" and on next boot you're greeted with a setup screen.

    [–] Peasley@lemmy.world 16 points 5 hours ago

    That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that

    [–] cm0002@lemmy.world 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    Well, if you want accuracy, then no the meme isn't really that accurate.

    On an updated Win11 system the Shift+ F10 command prompt "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" trick still works to setup a new system without Internet (and by extension, without a MS account) so that's like most of the battle right there

    The rest is taken care of with your choice of debloat scripts that are out there

    [–] Peasley@lemmy.world 9 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (4 children)

    compared to clicking "next" on Fedora, Debian, or Mint

    I'd say using a simple straightforward GUI is much easier than an arcane combination of commands and keypresses

    [–] DannyBoy@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 hours ago

    Wait, did we just reach a point where a command line input is needed for Windows and Linux just needs to press a few buttons??

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    [–] RandomVideos@programming.dev 6 points 4 hours ago

    If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.

    -microsoft

    [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 11 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

    This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.

    [–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

    I install OSes myself and windows is easy.

    [–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 1 points 8 minutes ago

    easier to use

    [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 2 points 59 minutes ago (1 children)

    Windows 11 takes foreeeeeever to install on cutting edge hardware. Arch OTA is literally 4 clicks and fast as fuck.

    [–] iAmTheTot@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 minutes ago (1 children)

    Length doesn't equate to difficulty to me.

    [–] 3laws@lemmy.world 1 points 2 minutes ago

    Oh no no, it takes forever because it's cumbersome, not only because it's slow (which it also is). Having to opt out of 420 different options for telemetry is crazy.

    [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (2 children)

    Okay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.

    Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).

    The imagine I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.

    It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.

    Came with office and it was pre activated.

    Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…

    Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. My last sentence does point out that Microsoft doesnt intentionally make it easier but imo we shouldn’t circle jerk by just claiming things that can easily be false.

    [–] Azzu@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

    I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean that in the sense that whatever you've used to install Windows, it must not be common knowledge or the default.

    If you need special knowledge or access, I would call that "difficulty". So even though, after you had all your special knowledge or access, it was easy, acquiring those preconditions was hard.

    I.e. it was difficult to install Windows overall.

    [–] waigl@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

    The last Windows I installed was Windows 10. I was trying to install onto a SATA SSD, while keeping my pre-existing Linux installation on the M.2 SSD intact. This took me an unreasonably long time and lots of failed attempts, and in the end, the only way I could find to make it work was to first physically remove the M.2, then install Windows, then add the M.2 back again. Which sucked a lot, because M.2s are really not optimized for easy or frequent installation and deinstallation.

    [–] schwim@lemm.ee 21 points 6 hours ago

    What an absurdly sycophantic graph.

    [–] nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 21 points 6 hours ago (15 children)

    I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.

    [–] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

    man fdisk

    [–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago

    ...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?

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    [–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

    Funny meme but let's be serious:

    The steps to install Arch.

    https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide

    The steps to install de bloated Windows:

    Download Tiny Windows.
    Use Rufus to make a boot USB. Click ok.

    Mint is where it's at.

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