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I've never "debloated" Windows so idk about the top half.
The bottom half is accurate. Debian, Fedora, and Mint are easier to install than Windows 10 or 11. Not that Windows is difficult, it's just a bit clunky and idiosyncratic.
I assume Microsoft doesn't care much about the installer since it's generally only used by OEMs, whereas for Linux distros it's a first impression so it has to be polished.
No excuse though. Try the "install as oem" of Linux Mint. You get an install with temporary oem account, you can update the system, install additional programs, then click "Prepare for shipping to end user" and on next boot you're greeted with a setup screen.
That sounds pretty nice. More installers should have something like that
I had to install Windows 11 on something a few weeks ago so I decided to do it without an account, it was nowhere near as difficult to do it as this sub would lead you to believe. Pressed a key combination to load up the command prompt then typed in a relatively short command. The GUI restarted and that was it.
Well, if you want accuracy, then no the meme isn't really that accurate.
On an updated Win11 system the Shift+ F10 command prompt "OOBE\BYPASSNRO" trick still works to setup a new system without Internet (and by extension, without a MS account) so that's like most of the battle right there
The rest is taken care of with your choice of debloat scripts that are out there
compared to clicking "next" on Fedora, Debian, or Mint
I'd say using a simple straightforward GUI is much easier than an arcane combination of commands and keypresses
Almost everyone using Linux installed it. Almost no one using Windows installed it.
You don't think that many people build their own Windows PCs? Linux gaming isn't that old in the grand scheme of things, and there's plenty of people who dual boot for various reasons.
I'd almost be willing to bet that there are more people who've installed Windows on their PC than there are people who've installed Linux from a pure numbers standpoint.
The latter usually have someone to install it for them.
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The difficulity of spelling difficulity is very difficulit.
Windows 10 is easy to install... If everything goes well. And 2 out of 3 times in my experience, it doesn't.
Debloated windows is very easy. Installs super fast and I don't even have to be there to push any buttons.
is there an installer edition that doesn't put you through the questionnaire for what level of bullshit they can trick you in to accepting?
Are you sure you're sure that your sure that you definitely aren't unsure about making an online account? Well here's the form for it anyway because you didn't remove all your network devices and use an edited install iso. And while we're at it, here's copilot, and a trial for office that you get billed for if you forget, and all your stuff is on onedrive securely stored for the safe perusal of relevant parties. Now please wait while we get things ready for you. You might think this unexplained loading screen is longer than the full time it takes to install most linux distros but we assure you important computery stuff is happening.
Lol it's not that hard. It's just a matter of what you are used to.
You can install the enterprise iot version or running chris titus's debloat script. But if you do this, you're technically savvy enough to use Linux and really want to/have to stay on Windows.
Just because you can use Linux doesn't always mean you want to use Linux.
Installing gentoo
post windows 7/early 10 versions, I would place it harder than arch. I had to go through a bunch of shit to get my mobo mount nvme drives to show up, then came the cursed hell of just clicking through all the setup questions where they make it sound like you have a choice, but you don't unless you do the custom install image bullshit aka the harder windows install on the chart.
Can you easily capture images in arch? As in for multiple distributions later? Or is it based around copying the partitions
Hobbyist here, in my opinion reading the manual or the wiki is easy, understanding it quickly is not. You can obvioulsy follow the instructions blindly and still succeed.
For the most part is very comprehensive but sometimes you are left alone to connect the dots which is very daunting when instructions get technical and you do not understand them.
In the end it felt like one of those half semester courses Universities try to cram in.
What an absurdly sycophantic graph.
Isn't mint a downstream product of Ubuntu? I haven't paid attention to them since they were distributing images from a compromised WordPress site years ago 😂
Maybe I've been DDing Ubuntu for so long that I just couldn't be bothered to try another distro based on it. I want to try a rolling release distro, but I'm too old to distro hop. All I care about is a functional system anymore.
I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.
...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?
All these threads make me want to take the leap to Linux. My work laptop runs on Mint, but as for my home pc.. guess I'll still have to wait for more Proton development/compatibility. Last time I checked, part of the games I want to play soon (Remnant 2, Supervive, Legion TD 2, Morimens, Sengoku Dynasty, Ravenswatch and a few others) seem to seem to imply a little more experimentation than I'd like.
Don't get me wrong, as a modder of obscure Chinese games and at work, I'm all for experimenting. But for the 1h per day I can play, I'll wait until I'm quite sure I won't spend it tinkering around to get my current games to work.
But I sure hope it will be sooner than later!
This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.
I install OSes myself and windows is easy.
Windows 11 takes foreeeeeever to install on cutting edge hardware. Arch OTA is literally 4 clicks and fast as fuck.
Length doesn't equate to difficulty to me.
Oh no no, it takes forever because it's cumbersome, not only because it's slow (which it also is). Having to opt out of 420 different options for telemetry is crazy.
I followed a guide to remove all that shit from the installer and still had to say no to most of it, and it showed up anyway.
I‘d place archinstall lower than mint 🤭
If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.
Okay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.
Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).
The image I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.
It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.
Came with office and it was pre activated.
Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…
Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. My last sentence does point out that Microsoft doesnt intentionally make it easier but imo we shouldn’t circle jerk by just claiming things that can easily be false.
The last Windows I installed was Windows 10. I was trying to install onto a SATA SSD, while keeping my pre-existing Linux installation on the M.2 SSD intact. This took me an unreasonably long time and lots of failed attempts, and in the end, the only way I could find to make it work was to first physically remove the M.2, then install Windows, then add the M.2 back again. Which sucked a lot, because M.2s are really not optimized for easy or frequent installation and deinstallation.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean that in the sense that whatever you've used to install Windows, it must not be common knowledge or the default.
If you need special knowledge or access, I would call that "difficulty". So even though, after you had all your special knowledge or access, it was easy, acquiring those preconditions was hard.
I.e. it was difficult to install Windows overall.
I suppose its all relative, but I didn't find debloated windows to be much worse than anything else. I used microwin though, is that a different experience?
Funny meme but let's be serious:
The steps to install Arch.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
The steps to install de bloated Windows:
Download Tiny Windows.
Use Rufus to make a boot USB.
Click ok.
Mint is where it's at.
that windows install isn't the procedure m$ tells you to use though. the correct comparison to that IMO would be using one of the 4 or 5 easy arch installers.
that said I'd still use bazzite. now a real janky ass install would be fedora core os on an sbc, using emmc for boot but nvme for root.