I can agree that installing Arch is easier than installing a debloated Windows. But Gentoo? I spent 2 weeks trying to install it, but couldn't get past partitioning the drive.
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...paritioning the drives is exactly the same for Arch as it is Gentoo lol if you did it for Arch, why can't you do it for Gentoo?
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I’m genuinely curious as an Arch user. Does gentoo not come with fdisk?
As a Gentoo user who has used Arch in the past, I have no clue what problems this commenter could have run into because paritioning the drives is exactly the same for both distributions... if they were able to figure it out for Arch, then they can do it for Gentoo
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Yes it does. And while time-consuming it's actually not too bad if you just follow the guide and don't just skim through it.
There are certain parts of the guide where i really wish it went into more detail.
Last time i installed Gentoo i had the Arch wiki open alongside the guide to help translate
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I set up a kiosk on a Linux Mint machine today. From blank, unformatted drive to fully deployed kiosk, it took less time than just installing a base install of win11.
Debloated windows is very easy. Installs super fast and I don't even have to be there to push any buttons.
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difficulity
The difficulity of spelling difficulity is very difficulit.
Having installed both recently, Manjaro is slightly easier than Fedora (KDE spin), never tried to install Mint so I don't know if it's above or below that
This is true, but the people who think of Windows as easier to use are not people who install operating systems themselves.
I install OSes myself and windows is easy.
Windows 11 takes foreeeeeever to install on cutting edge hardware. Arch OTA is literally 4 clicks and fast as fuck.
Build your installer with Rufus and bypass most of the Oobe. Then it's literally a few clicks. You can be at the windows 11 desktop in 10 minutes from USB boot if you know what you're doing. And if you argue that having to know what you're doing makes it harder.... Linux...
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post windows 7/early 10 versions, I would place it harder than arch. I had to go through a bunch of shit to get my mobo mount nvme drives to show up, then came the cursed hell of just clicking through all the setup questions where they make it sound like you have a choice, but you don't unless you do the custom install image bullshit aka the harder windows install on the chart.
Can you easily capture images in arch? As in for multiple distributions later? Or is it based around copying the partitions
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Hobbyist here, in my opinion reading the manual or the wiki is easy, understanding it quickly is not. You can obvioulsy follow the instructions blindly and still succeed.
For the most part is very comprehensive but sometimes you are left alone to connect the dots which is very daunting when instructions get technical and you do not understand them.
In the end it felt like one of those half semester courses Universities try to cram in.
Okay I’m a big supporter of Linux but this is misinformation.
Windows 11 LTSC install was the easiest install I’ve ever done, even easier than mint (or as easy).
The image I used even asked me the username when I was creating the bootable usb so I would save some time.
It also let me opt out of data collection and the rest of the bloatware.
Came with office and it was pre activated.
Now, if only that’s what Microsoft offered their mainstream consumer…
Edit: I don’t understand the downvotes. My last sentence does point out that Microsoft doesnt intentionally make it easier but imo we shouldn’t circle jerk by just claiming things that can easily be false.
The last Windows I installed was Windows 10. I was trying to install onto a SATA SSD, while keeping my pre-existing Linux installation on the M.2 SSD intact. This took me an unreasonably long time and lots of failed attempts, and in the end, the only way I could find to make it work was to first physically remove the M.2, then install Windows, then add the M.2 back again. Which sucked a lot, because M.2s are really not optimized for easy or frequent installation and deinstallation.
I have no idea what you're talking about. I mean that in the sense that whatever you've used to install Windows, it must not be common knowledge or the default.
If you need special knowledge or access, I would call that "difficulty". So even though, after you had all your special knowledge or access, it was easy, acquiring those preconditions was hard.
I.e. it was difficult to install Windows overall.
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i seriously do not understand what's up with some of you, why do you spell stuff like in "m$". The extra work to type it like this doesn't matter at all. It makes no difference, Microsoft will not shut down because you spelled their name as "micro$oft" on your lemmy post or something like that. why do you keep doing this, i don't understand.
It's literally one more keystrokes, and people who do it often in a phone probably have it autocomplete. This message took much longer to write than probably every single time the OP has written MS as M$.
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Windows 10 is easy to install... If everything goes well. And 2 out of 3 times in my experience, it doesn't.
If you are good with a slightly more complicated install process and don't need access to Windows tools (like Outlook, Teams, Word, PowerPoint, etc), you can run Linux on bare metal to access the full potential of your hardware without any overhead from virtualization or emulation.
I‘d place archinstall lower than mint 🤭
Fedora takes 0 brain power to install.
Fedora has hands down the worst installer I've ever seen. Some distros don't have one, yes, some don't have a GUI one, yes, some require additional configuration afterwards, yes, but Fedora's is just confusing as hell for no good reason.
It's also the only distro I had sound issues (i.e. no sound at all) with ever, and the only one where an installation has straight up failed to a point it created an unbootable system.
tldr: I wanted to try Fedora and capitulated on install. Still enough brainpower for EndeavourOS btw.
All these threads make me want to take the leap to Linux. My work laptop runs on Mint, but as for my home pc.. guess I'll still have to wait for more Proton development/compatibility. Last time I checked, part of the games I want to play soon (Remnant 2, Supervive, Legion TD 2, Morimens, Sengoku Dynasty, Ravenswatch and a few others) seem to require a little more experimentation than I'd like.
Don't get me wrong, as a modder of obscure Chinese games and at work, I'm all for experimenting. But for the 1h per day I can play, I'll wait until I'm quite sure I won't spend it tinkering around to get my current games to work.
But I sure hope it will be sooner than later!
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Funny meme but let's be serious:
The steps to install Arch.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide
The steps to install de bloated Windows:
Download Tiny Windows.
Use Rufus to make a boot USB.
Click ok.
Mint is where it's at.
that windows install isn't the procedure m$ tells you to use though. the correct comparison to that IMO would be using one of the 4 or 5 easy arch installers.
that said I'd still use bazzite. now a real janky ass install would be fedora core os on an sbc, using emmc for boot but nvme for root.
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Kubuntu is also super easy.
I suppose its all relative, but I didn't find debloated windows to be much worse than anything else. I used microwin though, is that a different experience?
Lol it's not that hard. It's just a matter of what you are used to.