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[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Most of this thread falls into two categories of people -

Shooting someone, under any condition, and not pouring you heart out for the person = psychopath

People who do illegal things are not actually people, please more authoritarianism

It is pretty obvious that almost no one, commenting here, has been in a situation where your life is truly being threatened, after your safety has been violated, and people who do not understand the how, and why, of criminal behavior. Yet they are all making very self-assured, absolutely black and white logic, statements as if they are the herald of truth.

[–] bradd@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

To add to this comment...

People turn into animals under pressure and they cope with stress in unusual or seemingly unreasonable ways.

Taunting someone that you view as a threat to your safety may be a coping mechanism that serves to calm your own nerves, by making light of the situation and maintaining a sense of dominance over the aggressor.

It seems cold but in a life threatening situation there isn't much room for thoughtful compassion, you have to do what you have to do to survive and there is no way to know what's coming next. Even if things seem to have deescalated, it doesn't end for a very very long time, thats what PTSD is all about.

Now, people who are engaging in illegal activity are people. I've been held at gun point, I've been shot at, and robbed. As much as I think these people deserve to go to jail I also hope that they eventually learn that what they did was wrong and want forgiveness. I would forgive them. All people are victims whether they know it or not, in various capacities.

The people that shot at me, probably had a harder life growing up and this is them fighting for a better life, as fucked up as it is, and as wrong as I think they are... Now, even with all of that said if I had a gun when this happened and I could get some good shots in, I might be talking some shit and I dont see that those two things conflict. I can be understanding of their situation, feel for them and feel bad for having to shoot them but also be taunting them at the same time. When I was robbed I jokingly told them to calm down as I was popping the register, they were pointing the pistol point blank at my face as I was being slightly dismissive of them, partially because thats who I am and also, Im sure, as a way to release tension.

[–] disgrunty@lemmy.world 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's also the fact that the intruder was shot in the leg and didn't die.

[–] Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, and the kid is 11, instead of thinking "man, a full grown man broke into an 11 year old's house, then threatened his life, and he shot the guy while running away, and then said mean things to him, he must have been in the middle of a big mind fuck, one that adults have issues dealing with, at 11, and isn't acting normally, and this will have effects down the line we can't foresee" many are like "I know exactly how people should behave to this specific childhood trauma, and this child is definitely a psychopath".

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[–] ikidd@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

"Confidently incorrect"

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (7 children)

I understand that it's self defense, but does it feel weird to anyone else how comfortable a kid is with killing another person?? He doesn't seem to have much remorse.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 28 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I got no proof other than my personal experiences growing up and observing kids while teaching them in groups at a school.

Children by in large seem to have little empathy for others. Children have little to no problem with bullying others without any emotional issues. Even to the point of pushing other kids to suicide. They have little regard for others and even less control over maturity.

I think empathy is something that you develop as you grow older. It's more a mark of adulthood than childhood.

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know about that. I think a lot of kids feel empathy from a young age, and bullying behaviors are rather caused by a harsh environment and how they are treated by other people, especially parents.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

I'm not so sure. Children have a lot of desire and drive to monopolize an adult's attention and resources. This I think gives any one child a leg up on getting the best resources to survive better. And you can see it when you work with a group of children. They will group around you jostling for the best position to be first and get the best from you. They do of course, get better with age and as they learn patience, but there is still a lack of empathy to be found in their base behavior.

After all, if you grew up with siblings, I'm quite sure your parents at some point in your early childhood told you "Be nice to your siblings! You love them!" more than once. Or some variation on that theme. And if you are a parent yourself, you have used that phrase at some point also. Because who has better reason to want to "kill" each other than brothers and sisters? They want to get as much of mommy and daddy as possible. Those resources are scarce and your natural drive is to fight to get them.

And hopefully, as children age they learn to get and show empathy to those around them. Most do, but some never quite manage it.

[–] EnderMB@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Sadly, this is very similar of my wife's understanding of teaching kids from 11-18. Emotional intelligence is very different from standard intelligence, and it develops at different times for different people.

Sometimes it's a pure lack of empathy, and other times it's simply not being able to understand that people have their own shit they're dealing with. It can be simple stuff like bullying someone going through a rough time at home/school, or showing zero remorse when a kid they've assaulted goes blind due to brain damage because "the kid was a fucking dweeb". Some of the stories I've heard second-hand are absolutely fucking tragic, even in good schools.

[–] disgrunty@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

The guy was shot in the leg. It doesn't say in any of the news coverage that he died.

[–] FireRetardant@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago

He didn't kill the intruder.

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[–] bobgray123987@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 1 day ago

After visiting some crime scenes etc ... I know there is a human factor to both sides ... Victim, criminal etc. But I just do not feel that much sympathy towards the criminal anymore. They had a choice. This time they chose poorly. Breaking into a house in any of the red states is Russian roulette. This time he just chose the loaded cylinder.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 104 points 3 days ago (65 children)

What a psychopath. Anyone wanna bet he becomes a cop?

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[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 70 points 3 days ago (10 children)

How about don’t break into someone’s house?

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 107 points 3 days ago (22 children)

And ruin every American gun owner's wet dream?

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (7 children)

I'm a gun owner, and I have absolutely no interest in shooting someone ever.

You know how people who say people should eat less meat get a lot of flack because of those annoying vegans who spray-paint leather jackets?

That's most gun owners. Perfectly reasonable people who have no interest in violence, take gun safety seriously, and store their guns safely.

The thing is part of responsible gun ownership is not wearing a shirt that says "fuck you, I have a gun." We don't make guns our entire personality, and we understanding that advertising our gun ownership will make people think we're like the redneck jackasses you see on TV AND make it more likely to have our cars and homes broken into.

The number one way to get your car windows smashed and everything in it cleaned out is to put a Glock sticker on the window.

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[–] FMT99@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed, you break the law you forfeit your life.

[–] RestrictedAccount@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

So you are down with someone breaking into your home and taking whatever they want including sexual liberties?

You are a better Christian than me.

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[–] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 41 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

https://www.wptv.com/news/national/chris-gaither-11-year-old-boy-shoots-intruder-who-cried-like-a-baby

From 2016 ... lets talk about the child that just killed their family/sibling/neighbor/school with daddy's gun, too.

Which one from the last month, you ask ? Doesn't matter ... pick one.

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[–] VinnyDaCat@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I mean good but is no one worried about the kid not having any issues with taking someone's life? Maybe I'm missing out on some extra pieces of info, but it is a bit concerning even if it is an intruder.

[–] bluewing@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

He didn't actually kill the intruder so that's something he can probably look forward to either after joining the military or law enforcement.

But joking aside, children by in large, don't seem to have much empathy about such things. You can see this in the bullying they do in schools and on the playgrounds. And it doesn't seem to bother them much.

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[–] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you break into a home you get what you deserve and that includes insults and\or deletion.

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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (3 children)

These kids are our future.

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago

A world where a kid can remorselessly shoot someone. Isn’t that great. DGAF if the guy “deserved” it or not for breaking in.

[–] jdnewmil@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Isn't this basically the plot of "Home Alone" and it's very popular sequels playing out with a firearm? With FPS games as the cultural backdrop, why is anyone shocked at this? Or is this just hand-wringing?

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[–] Sludgehammer@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago
[–] disgrunty@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

So many dumbasses who think Professor Barclay is being serious. It's a joke. The guy did not die. It's dark humor.

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