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The Socialists, led by Pedro Sánchez, the prime minister, included plans to limit participation in female sports to “people with a female biological sex” in a policy document decided on at the party’s congress over the weekend.

The decision to also remove Q+ from a plan to protect sexual and gender minorities from the impact of social inequality sparked fury from LGBTQ+ activists and politicians from Left-wing partners of Mr Sánchez’s minority government.

The passing of a transgender rights reform in 2023, allowing anyone to change their official sex simply by stating their wish to switch, caused a bitter rift within Spain’s ruling Left-wing forces.

Carmen Calvo, the former Socialist deputy prime minister, said at the time the reform would “destroy the powerful battery of equality legislation in our country”.

Pathetic display from so-called socialists

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[–] TGhost@lemm.ee 35 points 2 years ago

Trans rights are Humans Rights

Disgusting,

[–] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 32 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Who will betray us? Social Democrats.

[–] Luffy879@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago

Wer hat uns verraten? Die sozialdemokraten. Wer war mit dabei? Die grüne Partei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y0xkvw-u3s

[–] A_Union_of_Kobolds@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Disgusting. There is no liberation without trans liberation.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 2 years ago

No one is free until everyone is free

[–] HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Social Democracy != Socialist in the same way National Socialist != Socialist

Social democrats are 100% capitalists, they share almost no common values with socialism. As others have mentioned in this thread, social democrats are concerned with how the capitalist machinery and the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie can be maintained.

This article repeatedly calling them socialists is nothing short of journalistic malpractice. They're smearing the wrong ideology which was their intent.

[–] kernelle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Ignorant passerby here, and genuinely want to change my mind, but how exactly is it fair for a trans person to compete against a biologically female person?

If we go back to the original reason for this sexist devide, it stems from a fundamental biological difference between two genders. How we identify ourselves has little impact on these biological differences no?

Furthermore I was listening to a podcast recently and they were talking about how the greatest female tennisplayer to have ever lived is would be ranked 2 or 3 thousand in a unisex world ranking. Seeing a worldrecord being set by someone working within the confines of the female body is impressive, seeing that same record broken by someone without the same constraints just devalues the other persons achievement.

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 2 years ago

Equating transgender women with cisgender men is biologically inaccurate.

The tests assessed body composition, lung function, cardiopulmonary exercise testing, strength and lower body power.

Among the results was a determination that the trans women athletes had decreased lung function compared to the cis women athletes.

In addition, the bone density of the trans women athletes was found to be equivalent to that of the cis women. Bone density is linked to muscle strength.

The researchers say their findings “reveal notable disparities in fat mass, fat-free mass, laboratory sports performance measures and hand-grip strength measures between cisgender male and transgender female athletes.

“These differences underscore the inadequacy of using cisgender male athletes as proxies for transgender women athletes.”

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The broader issue is discrimination, and if one class of people should be allowed to be singled out and discriminated against.

[–] LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Isn't that the whole point of women's sports though? To exclude a class of people (men) so that others (women) have a chance to compete on their own?

[–] kernelle@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago

For sure, I am very aware of the overlying issue here. And let it be known that I have always been supportive of the movement.

[–] emergencyfood@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 years ago

Two points:

  1. Top-level sports isn't fair. Most famous athletes are outliers in terms of height, weight, muscle mass, etc. Some, like Phelps, have genetic or developmental differences that give them a pretty significant advantage.

  2. I must admit that the legal definition of 'transwoman' varies from country to country. In India, where I live, a person can legally change their gender without any medical intervention, and such people might have a physical advantage over cis-women. But in the vast majority of countries, they have to take hormones and / or do surgical procedures that reshape their body to be more 'feminine'. Once they do that, they have no significant advantage over cis-women.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 years ago

Social Democrats and highly reactionary tendencies, who ever could have guessed? Objectively the moderate wing of fascism. Who knew that adopting leftist aesthetics to maintain Imperialism and Capitalism via concessions is a tendency of transphobes?